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From: "Michael R. Hines" <mrhines@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: "Dr. David Alan Gilbert" <dgilbert@redhat.com>
Cc: Walid Nouri <walid.nouri@gmail.com>,
	hinesmr@cn.ibm.com, qemu-devel@nongnu.org, michael@hinespot.com
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] Microcheckpointing: Memory-VCPU / Disk State consistency
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2014 01:23:14 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <53ECF082.6090307@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140814105802.GD2503@work-vm>

On 08/14/2014 06:58 PM, Dr. David Alan Gilbert wrote:
> cc'ing in a couple of the COLOers.
Thanks, David. Glad to see their patches in last month - I need to take 
a look at them.

> The 2013 paper says: 'COLO modifies the guest OS’s TCP/IP stack in 
> order to make the behavior more deterministic. ' but does say that an 
> alternative might be to have a ' comparison function that operates 
> transparently over re-assembled TCP streams' 

Ouch - I didn't realize that.

It may or may not be a problem - but if it gets us further towards 
fault-tolerance, I'm open-minded. =)

The Xen paper did the same thing for databases - they also modified the 
guest TCP stack.

>> My hope in the future was that the two approaches could be used in a
>> "Hybrid" manner - actually MC has much more of a performance hit for I/O
>> than COLO does because of its buffering requirements.
>>
>> On the other hand, MC would perform better in a memory-intensive or
>> CPU-intensive situation - so maybe QEMU could "switch" between the two
>> mechanisms at different points in time when the resource bottleneck changes.
> If the primary were to rate-limit the number of resynchronisations
> (and send the secondary a message as soon as it knew a resync was needed) that
> would get some of the way, but then the only difference from microcheckpointing
> at that point is the secondary doing a wasteful copy and sending the packets across;
> it seems it should be easy to disable those if it knew that a resync was going to
> happen.
>
> Dave

  reply	other threads:[~2014-08-15  1:25 UTC|newest]

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2014-08-11 17:22               ` [Qemu-devel] Microcheckpointing: Memory-VCPU / Disk State consistency Walid Nouri
2014-08-11 20:15                 ` Michael R. Hines
2014-08-17  9:52                   ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-08-19  8:58                     ` Walid Nouri
2014-09-10 15:43                     ` Walid Nouri
2014-09-11  1:50                       ` Michael R. Hines
2014-09-12  1:34                         ` Hongyang Yang
2014-09-11  7:27                       ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-09-11 17:44                       ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2014-09-11 22:08                         ` Walid Nouri
2014-09-12  1:24                         ` Hongyang Yang
2014-09-12 11:07                         ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2014-09-17 20:53                           ` Walid Nouri
2014-09-18 13:56                             ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2014-09-23 16:36                               ` Walid Nouri
2014-09-24  8:47                                 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2014-09-25 16:06                                   ` Walid Nouri
2014-08-11 20:15                 ` Michael R. Hines
2014-08-13 14:03                   ` Walid Nouri
2014-08-13 22:28                     ` Michael R. Hines
2014-08-14 10:58                       ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2014-08-14 17:23                         ` Michael R. Hines [this message]
2014-08-19  8:33                         ` Walid Nouri

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