From: Eric Blake <eblake@redhat.com>
To: Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>, Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com>
Cc: jcody@redhat.com, qemu-devel@nongnu.org,
Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@redhat.com>,
Max Reitz <mreitz@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH RFC 2/2] block: Warn on insecure format probing
Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2014 11:18:00 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <5459F958.7020705@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87d292ujmg.fsf@blackfin.pond.sub.org>
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On 11/05/2014 09:39 AM, Markus Armbruster wrote:
>> Hm... In which cases does libvirt probe the image format? And is it even
>> consistent with qemu today?
>
> I had a quick look at the source. Eric, please correct
> misunderstandings.
>
> Enumation type virStorageFileProbeFormat enumerates supported formats.
> It has pseudo-formats VIR_STORAGE_FILE_AUTO, VIR_STORAGE_FILE_AUTO_SAFE.
VIR_STORAGE_FILE_AUTO is the format that libvirt assigns an image where
the libvirt XML was not explicit. VIR_STORAGE_FILE_AUTO_SAFE is what
the image gets reassigned to for QED (as the only format where the
backing format is mandatory as part of the backing chain), which
basically says: trust the backing chain if the XML omitted a type,
instead of doing the normal rules of auto.
>
> I don't understand VIR_STORAGE_FILE_AUTO_SAFE offhand.
>
> VIR_STORAGE_FILE_AUTO means probing. Its use appears to be deprecated.
Close. It actually means: "the user did not specify a format in their
XML, so it is now up to a configuration knob whether we will probe or
whether we will forcefully error out and tell the user to fix their
XML". The configuration knob (allow_disk_format_probing in
/etc/libvirt/qemu.conf) defaults to 0 by default (error out and tell the
user to fix their XML) but can be overridden to 1 by someone that knows
what they are doing (probes are allowed at the user's own risk).
> Actual probing happens in virStorageFileProbeFormatFromBuf():
>
> For all formats:
> if magic and version match, pick this format
>
> If some magic matched, but not the version: warn
>
> For all formats:
> if file name extension matches, pick this format
>
> Pick raw.
>
> The formats' magic, version and extension are defined in fileTypeInfo[].
>
> If I remember correctly, libvirt has its own probing because running an
> external program just to probe is too slow.
Correct. And while the libvirt probing was originally modeled after
qemu, the two approaches have probably diverged a bit over time. An
obvious difference: qemu only probes 512? bytes (maybe 4096?), but
libvirt probes deep enough to determine the .iso file format (a 5-byte
magic number at decimal offset 32769). See VIR_STORAGE_MAX_HEADER
0x8200 in src/util/virstoragefile.h.
>
> Another reason for having its own probing might be providing a secure
> replacement for QEMU's insecure probing.
While that may be a possible outcome, I'm not sure it was an intentional
design.
>
>> If you can get libvirt to explicitly pass the wrong format=... option
>> because it did its own probing, we have a problem no matter what we
>> change in qemu.
>
> Yes, but that would be a libvirt problem. No excuse for us to ignore
> our own problems.
Correct - for the purposes of this thread, we need only figure out how
to make qemu closer to being secure by default.
--
Eric Blake eblake redhat com +1-919-301-3266
Libvirt virtualization library http://libvirt.org
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Thread overview: 63+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2014-10-28 16:03 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH RFC 0/2] block: Warn on insecure format probing Markus Armbruster
2014-10-28 16:03 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH RFC 1/2] block: Factor bdrv_probe_all() out of find_image_format() Markus Armbruster
2014-10-28 16:34 ` Eric Blake
2014-10-28 16:41 ` Jeff Cody
2014-10-29 15:22 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2014-10-28 16:03 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH RFC 2/2] block: Warn on insecure format probing Markus Armbruster
2014-10-28 17:02 ` Eric Blake
2014-10-28 18:29 ` Jeff Cody
2014-10-28 18:56 ` Eric Blake
2014-10-28 19:42 ` Jeff Cody
2014-10-29 7:36 ` Markus Armbruster
2014-10-29 8:25 ` Max Reitz
2014-10-29 7:22 ` Markus Armbruster
2014-10-30 13:58 ` Jeff Cody
2014-11-03 8:07 ` Markus Armbruster
2014-10-29 7:03 ` Markus Armbruster
2014-10-28 18:33 ` Jeff Cody
2014-10-29 6:37 ` Markus Armbruster
2014-10-30 13:52 ` Jeff Cody
2014-11-03 8:11 ` Markus Armbruster
2014-10-29 1:16 ` Fam Zheng
2014-10-29 6:32 ` Markus Armbruster
2014-10-29 10:12 ` Kevin Wolf
2014-10-29 13:54 ` Markus Armbruster
2014-10-29 15:34 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2014-10-30 9:07 ` Markus Armbruster
2014-10-30 9:24 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2014-10-30 12:19 ` Markus Armbruster
2014-10-30 9:30 ` Kevin Wolf
2014-10-30 12:49 ` Markus Armbruster
2014-10-31 11:19 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2014-10-31 22:45 ` Eric Blake
2014-11-03 8:15 ` Markus Armbruster
2014-11-03 11:13 ` Kevin Wolf
2014-11-04 9:36 ` Markus Armbruster
2014-11-04 10:32 ` Kevin Wolf
2014-11-05 7:58 ` Markus Armbruster
2014-11-03 11:00 ` Kevin Wolf
2014-11-04 9:39 ` Markus Armbruster
2014-11-04 16:09 ` Jeff Cody
2014-11-05 8:05 ` Markus Armbruster
2014-11-05 8:09 ` Max Reitz
2014-10-30 9:08 ` Max Reitz
2014-10-30 9:27 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2014-10-30 9:36 ` Kevin Wolf
2014-10-31 11:24 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2014-10-31 11:56 ` Kevin Wolf
2014-11-03 8:54 ` Markus Armbruster
2014-11-03 9:11 ` Max Reitz
2014-11-04 9:34 ` Markus Armbruster
2014-11-03 10:25 ` Kevin Wolf
2014-11-03 15:05 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2014-11-03 15:13 ` Max Reitz
2014-11-04 9:42 ` Markus Armbruster
2014-11-04 10:11 ` Kevin Wolf
2014-11-04 15:25 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2014-11-04 15:37 ` Kevin Wolf
2014-11-05 8:39 ` Markus Armbruster
2014-11-05 10:18 ` Eric Blake [this message]
2014-10-30 13:02 ` Markus Armbruster
2014-11-03 8:44 ` Max Reitz
2014-10-30 20:45 ` Richard W.M. Jones
2014-11-03 8:18 ` Markus Armbruster
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