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From: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
To: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>, linaro-acpi@lists.linaro.org
Cc: Peter Maydell <peter.maydell@linaro.org>,
	"Ian.Campbell@citrix.com" <Ian.Campbell@citrix.com>,
	Claudio Fontana <claudio.fontana@huawei.com>,
	QEMU Developers <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	"stefano.stabellini@citrix.com" <stefano.stabellini@citrix.com>,
	"tech@virtualopensystems.com" <tech@virtualopensystems.com>,
	Parth Dixit <parth.dixit@linaro.org>,
	Christoffer Dall <christoffer.dall@linaro.org>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [Linaro-acpi] [RFC PATCH 0/7] hw/arm/virt: Dynamic ACPI v5.1 table generation
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2014 17:04:30 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5463850E.7020703@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1690954.Y528jzYjum@wuerfel>



On 12/11/2014 16:57, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
> > > It seems to me like complicated stuff like that definitely belongs
> > > in the UEFI/bootloader blob, though. I'd rather QEMU just modelled
> > > the hardware and let the guest (or the firmware, which is guest
> > > code from QEMU's point of view) set it up however it wants.
> > 
> > It definitely doesn't belong in QEMU!
> 
> The easiest option would probably be not make all PCI devices have
> fixed BARs and not even allow them to be changed. I believe this is
> what kvmtool does, but I can see how supporting both modes is much
> harder than either one.

kvmtool does not have firmware; it starts the kernel directly, so it
does all the setup that usually is done by the firmware.  It implements
a couple real-mode interfaces that Linux uses when booting, but nothing
of this deals with PCI.

x86 QEMU always runs firmware.  Even if you specify -kernel, the
firmware does all the usual initialization and then boots from a small
ROM.  The ROM contains the bootloader, so it loads and starts the kernel.

> How does it work on x86 with qemu?

Same as real hardware.  Firmware (SeaBIOS or OVMF) builds the memory
map, decides where in the free space the BARs go, and programs the PCI
devices accordingly.

kvmtool is the special one here.  Xen, VMware, Hyper-V all do the same
as QEMU.

Paolo

  reply	other threads:[~2014-11-12 16:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 71+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-10-30 17:43 [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH 0/7] hw/arm/virt: Dynamic ACPI v5.1 table generation Alexander Spyridakis
2014-10-30 17:43 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH 1/7] hw/i386: Move ACPI header definitions in an arch-independent location Alexander Spyridakis
2014-10-30 17:44 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH 2/7] hw/arm/virt-acpi: Basic skeleton for dynamic generation of ACPI tables Alexander Spyridakis
2014-10-30 17:46   ` Peter Maydell
2014-10-30 17:52 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH 0/7] hw/arm/virt: Dynamic ACPI v5.1 table generation Peter Maydell
2014-10-30 18:02   ` [Qemu-devel] [Linaro-acpi] " Mark Rutland
2014-11-05  9:58     ` Claudio Fontana
2014-11-06 12:44       ` Peter Maydell
2014-11-06 12:57         ` Igor Mammedov
2014-11-06 13:33         ` Alexander Spyridakis
2014-11-06 13:52           ` Peter Maydell
2014-11-11 15:29           ` Mark Rutland
2014-11-11 16:31             ` Christoffer Dall
2014-11-11 16:48               ` Mark Rutland
2014-11-11 21:33                 ` Christoffer Dall
2014-11-12 10:38                   ` Mark Rutland
2014-11-12 10:44                     ` Christoffer Dall
2014-11-12 10:55                       ` Julien Grall
2014-11-12 11:07                       ` Mark Rutland
2014-11-12 11:38                         ` Graeme Gregory
2014-11-12 11:52                     ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-11-12 12:04                       ` Mark Rutland
2014-11-12 12:12                         ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-11-12 13:27                         ` Peter Maydell
2014-11-12 13:32                           ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-11-12 15:01                           ` Claudio Fontana
2014-11-12 15:32                             ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-11-12 15:39                               ` Peter Maydell
2014-11-12 15:52                                 ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-11-12 15:57                                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-11-12 16:04                                     ` Paolo Bonzini [this message]
2014-11-12 16:13                                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-11-12 16:25                                         ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-11-12 17:33                                           ` Peter Maydell
2014-11-13  8:32                                           ` Gerd Hoffmann
2014-11-13  8:14                             ` Gerd Hoffmann
2014-11-13  8:10                           ` Gerd Hoffmann
2014-11-13 18:16                             ` Al Stone
2014-11-13 19:22                               ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-11-14  7:54                               ` Gerd Hoffmann
2014-11-12  9:08             ` Claudio Fontana
2014-11-12 10:56               ` Mark Rutland
2014-11-12 11:15                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-11-12 11:34                   ` Christoffer Dall
2014-11-12 11:48                     ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-11-12 12:18                       ` Mark Rutland
2014-11-12 12:27                         ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-11-12 12:40                           ` Christoffer Dall
2014-11-12 13:08                           ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-11-12 13:27                             ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-11-12 13:41                           ` Mark Rutland
2014-11-12 13:59                             ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-11-12 14:10                               ` Mark Rutland
2014-11-12 14:46                                 ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-11-12 13:03                     ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-11-12 13:35                       ` Christoffer Dall
2014-11-12 11:55                   ` Mark Rutland
2014-11-12 18:10               ` Peter Maydell
2014-11-13  9:57                 ` Claudio Fontana
2014-11-17 17:52                   ` Peter Maydell
2014-11-06  6:53     ` Hanjun Guo
2014-11-06 13:30       ` Mark Rutland
2014-11-06 13:33         ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-11-06 15:57       ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-11-06 16:18         ` Igor Mammedov
2014-11-06 16:27           ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-11-07  8:31         ` Hanjun Guo
2015-03-09 12:12   ` Leif Lindholm
2015-03-09 12:28     ` Peter Maydell
2015-03-09 12:47       ` Shannon Zhao
2015-03-09 14:50       ` Leif Lindholm

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