From: Max Reitz <mreitz@redhat.com>
To: Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>
Cc: Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com>,
qemu-devel@nongnu.org, Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@redhat.com>,
Luiz Capitulino <lcapitulino@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v2 0/4] blockdev: Add blockdev-change-medium with read-only option
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2014 14:47:54 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <5481B78A.3030802@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <874mtaw7do.fsf@blackfin.pond.sub.org>
On 2014-12-05 at 14:31, Markus Armbruster wrote:
> Max Reitz <mreitz@redhat.com> writes:
>
>> The 'change' QMP and HMP command allows replacing the medium in drives
>> which support this, e.g. floppy disk drives. For some drives, the medium
>> carries information about whether it can be written to or not (again,
>> floppy drives). Therefore, it should be possible to change the read-only
>> state of block devices when changing the loaded medium.
>>
>> Following a suggestion from Eric, this series first introduces a
>> 'blockdev-change-medium' QMP command which is intended to replace the
>> 'change' command for block devices. Then, an optional additional
>> 'read-only' parameter is added which allows chaning the read-only state
>> in three ways:
>>
>> - 'retain': Just keep the status as it was before; this is the current
>> behavior and thus this will be the default.
>> - 'ro': Force read-only access
>> - 'rw': Force writable access
>>
>> Finally, that 'read-only' parameter is added to the HMP 'change'
>> command. This series does not add a 'blockdev-change-medium' QMP command
>> because 'change' being overloaded for VNC and block devices is not too
>> bad for HMP (while it is for QMP).
> Debatable, but let's hash out QMP before we worry about HMP.
>
> I'd like to make sure that new commands to control removable media get
> us closer to a sane set of such commands. Let's consider states and
> transitions.
>
> If we ignore the tray lock for a moment, we have:
>
> load
> tray open ---------------> tray closed
> empty <--------------- empty
> ^ | eject
> | |
> remove medium | | insert medium
> | |
> | v load
> tray open ---------------> tray closed
> full <--------------- full
> eject
>
> Both the operator and the guest OS can load / eject.
>
> Only the operator can remove / insert medium.
>
> A tray lock complicates things a bit. Each state above splits into a
> locked and unlocked state, with the obvious lock / unlock state
> transitions. Only the guest OS can lock / unlock.
>
> When the tray is locked and closed, operator eject merely notifies the
> guest OS (blk_dev_eject_request(blk, false)).
>
> In states tray closed / locked, there's an additional operation "eject
> forcefully". It notifies the guest OS (blk_dev_eject_request(blk,
> true)), and opens the tray. Whether unlocks it depends on the device.
>
> Like change, blockdev-change-medium conflates several basic operations.
> Is that what we want, or should we create something that lets us do
> basic operations?
Good question. I don't think it will be bad in practice, though. If you
split up blockdev-change-medium or really only change the medium without
loading it, then the only advantage that you get is that you can
exchange media without loading them; I can't really think of a use case
for that, so in reality you'll always have blockdev-change-medium
followed immediately by blockdev-load-medium or blockdev-close-tray or
whatever.
You could split it up even more of course, then you'd have the following
order for loading a medium:
(1) 'blockdev-open-tray', if not yet open
(2) 'blockdev-remove-medium', if not yet empty
(3) 'blockdev-insert-medium'
(4) 'blockdev-close-tray
I can't think of any time when you'd want to call insert-medium without
close-tray or without having called remove-medium before (well, if it's
empty, you don't have to, but well...).
And 'eject' does blockdev-open-tray plus blockdev-remove-medium, so...
Or better, let's collect use cases:
(1) Insert medium into empty drive and load it: Works with
'blockdev-change-medium'
(2) Open drive, remove medium: Works with 'eject'
(3) Open drive, remove medium, insert medium, close drive: Works with
'blockdev-change-medium'
(4) Open drive, remove medium, close drive: Does not work with only
'eject' and 'blockdev-change-medium', but I can't see a difference
between an open drive and a closed empty drive
(5) Open drive, repeatedly change medium, close drive: Does not work
with 'blockdev-change-medium' because the guest will see all the media
you cycled through; but I don't consider this an important use case
So, of course it may be nice in principle to have broken it down to the
fundamental operations, but I don't see the practical implication.
Hm, well, there is one. I remember someone complaining that 'eject'
sometimes removes the medium and sometimes doesn't. It did remove the
medium when qemu could immediately eject it; but it didn't if the drive
was locked, the guest was notified and then the guest opened the tray.
So that is a practical implication, because after calling
blockdev-open-tray, you'd be sure that the medium is still inserted.
I personally don't have a strong opinion. Introducing more commands
would be work, but I guess I would have time for that now.
Max
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2014-12-05 13:48 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2014-12-05 10:08 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v2 0/4] blockdev: Add blockdev-change-medium with read-only option Max Reitz
2014-12-05 10:08 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v2 1/4] qmp: Introduce blockdev-change-medium Max Reitz
2014-12-05 13:10 ` Eric Blake
2014-12-05 13:18 ` Max Reitz
2014-12-05 13:25 ` Eric Blake
2014-12-05 10:08 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v2 2/4] hmp: Use blockdev-change-medium for change command Max Reitz
2014-12-05 13:24 ` Eric Blake
2014-12-05 13:27 ` Max Reitz
2014-12-05 13:45 ` Eric Blake
2014-12-05 10:08 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v2 3/4] blockdev: Add read-only option to blockdev-change-medium Max Reitz
2014-12-05 13:28 ` Eric Blake
2014-12-05 10:08 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v2 4/4] hmp: Add read-only option to change command Max Reitz
2014-12-05 13:49 ` Eric Blake
2014-12-05 13:14 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v2 0/4] blockdev: Add blockdev-change-medium with read-only option Eric Blake
2014-12-05 13:25 ` Max Reitz
2014-12-05 13:31 ` Markus Armbruster
2014-12-05 13:47 ` Max Reitz [this message]
2014-12-05 14:07 ` Eric Blake
2014-12-05 14:21 ` Max Reitz
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