qemu-devel.nongnu.org archive mirror
 help / color / mirror / Atom feed
From: Frederic Konrad <fred.konrad@greensocs.com>
To: "Marc Marí" <marc.mari.barcelo@gmail.com>,
	"Jan Kiszka" <jan.kiszka@siemens.com>
Cc: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	Marcelo Tosatti <mtosatti@redhat.com>,
	qemu-devel <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	Luiz Capitulino <lcapitulino@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] QEMU and Real Time OS
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2015 11:36:37 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <54CB5EB5.7050902@greensocs.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150130112644.3ab44d84@crunchbang>

On 30/01/2015 11:26, Marc Marí wrote:
> El Fri, 30 Jan 2015 08:37:47 +0100
> Jan Kiszka <jan.kiszka@siemens.com> escribió:
>> On 2015-01-30 00:06, Paolo Bonzini wrote:
>>>
>>> On 29/01/2015 20:37, Marc Marí wrote:
>>>> Is this an expected behaviour? I can't see why.
>>>>
>>>> I'd like to know if there is a certain reason why it doesn't work.
>>>> Or if it should work and the problem is too much I/O overhead. Or
>>>> any other hint to understand it.
>>> It is due to latencies in the host.  You need at least to use
>>> preempt-rt kernels in the host as well.
>> That alone won't help much. You also need to fine-tune the guest to
>> avoid running into QEMU locks that continuously synchronizes the guest
>> on things like VGA or disk I/O emulation.
>>
>> When using KVM, thus being able to run VCPUs widely independent of
>> each other and the device models, you need to push cyclictest on an
>> isolated second virtual CPU of the guest. Luiz and Marcelo can
>> probably confirm this based on their ongoing experiments.
>>
>> With TCG, we would first of all have to make it true SMP and
>> independent of the I/O device lock. That's what Frederic is working
>> on [1].
>>
>> Jan
>>
>> [1] http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.emulators.qemu/314406
>>
> Thanks for the answers. I think I'm stuck with ARM926, which I think is
> not prepared for SMP. I'll have to look if I can use Cortex for my
> experiments.
>
> I'll continue interested with the improvements for RT on TCG, but for
> the moment I'll go to work on real harware, even though is easier to
> run and debug on an emulator.
>
> Thanks
> Marc
Hi Marc,

I think the important point here is "TCG thread independent of the I/O 
device lock".
I need it for multithread TCG but that doesn't mean you need an SMP guest
platform for that.

Fred

  reply	other threads:[~2015-01-30 10:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 8+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-01-29 19:37 [Qemu-devel] QEMU and Real Time OS Marc Marí
2015-01-29 23:06 ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-01-30  7:37   ` Jan Kiszka
2015-01-30 10:26     ` Marc Marí
2015-01-30 10:36       ` Frederic Konrad [this message]
2015-01-30 10:40         ` Marc Marí
2015-01-30 10:47         ` Jan Kiszka
2015-02-02 20:08     ` Marcelo Tosatti

Reply instructions:

You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:

* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
  and reply-to-all from there: mbox

  Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style

* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
  switches of git-send-email(1):

  git send-email \
    --in-reply-to=54CB5EB5.7050902@greensocs.com \
    --to=fred.konrad@greensocs.com \
    --cc=jan.kiszka@siemens.com \
    --cc=lcapitulino@redhat.com \
    --cc=marc.mari.barcelo@gmail.com \
    --cc=mtosatti@redhat.com \
    --cc=pbonzini@redhat.com \
    --cc=qemu-devel@nongnu.org \
    /path/to/YOUR_REPLY

  https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html

* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
  via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line before the message body.
This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox;
as well as URLs for NNTP newsgroup(s).