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Message-ID: <54b77382-78c8-e6bf-45d4-616595baa87f@redhat.com> Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2020 08:06:52 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.11.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <87k0wa1bf8.fsf@dusky.pond.sub.org> X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.79 on 10.5.11.14 Authentication-Results: relay.mimecast.com; auth=pass smtp.auth=CUSA124A263 smtp.mailfrom=eblake@redhat.com X-Mimecast-Spam-Score: 0 X-Mimecast-Originator: redhat.com Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="kG4jyIEsjeCeFLoNSsaLe4VC7sO468wAp" Received-SPF: pass client-ip=63.128.21.124; envelope-from=eblake@redhat.com; helo=us-smtp-delivery-124.mimecast.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/10/01 02:15:30 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Spam_score_int: -23 X-Spam_score: -2.4 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, NICE_REPLY_A=-0.26, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H5=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: qemu-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: Kevin Wolf , Peter Maydell , =?UTF-8?Q?Daniel_P=2e_Berrang=c3=a9?= Errors-To: qemu-devel-bounces+qemu-devel=archiver.kernel.org@nongnu.org Sender: "Qemu-devel" This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --kG4jyIEsjeCeFLoNSsaLe4VC7sO468wAp Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="k1Y3KkV0UA19vL1FgJwP86dgR5YSgXsbC"; protected-headers="v1" From: Eric Blake To: Markus Armbruster , qemu-devel@nongnu.org Cc: Kevin Wolf , Peter Maydell , =?UTF-8?Q?Daniel_P=2e_Berrang=c3=a9?= Message-ID: <54b77382-78c8-e6bf-45d4-616595baa87f@redhat.com> Subject: Re: Use of "?" for help has been deprecated for 8 years, can we drop it? References: <87k0wa1bf8.fsf@dusky.pond.sub.org> In-Reply-To: <87k0wa1bf8.fsf@dusky.pond.sub.org> --k1Y3KkV0UA19vL1FgJwP86dgR5YSgXsbC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 10/1/20 5:35 AM, Markus Armbruster wrote: > We deprecated "?" more than eight years ago. We didn't have a > deprecation process back then, but we did purge "?" from the > documentation and from help texts. Can we finally drop it? >=20 > I'm asking because there is a patch on the list that bypasses > is_help_option() to not add deprecated "?" to a new place: "[PATCH v2 > 1/4] keyval: Parse help options". >=20 Did we ever issue a warning when it was used? It's easier to argue that it can be dropped if users had notice of some form or another. That said, I'm not heartbroken if we yank it immediately instead of letting it live for 2 more releases. --=20 Eric Blake, Principal Software Engineer Red Hat, Inc. +1-919-301-3226 Virtualization: qemu.org | libvirt.org --k1Y3KkV0UA19vL1FgJwP86dgR5YSgXsbC-- --kG4jyIEsjeCeFLoNSsaLe4VC7sO468wAp Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEEccLMIrHEYCkn0vOqp6FrSiUnQ2oFAl911GwACgkQp6FrSiUn Q2qtMAgAiceZmBJ6+yvfDQoj2t7kBdC/8W5CQVi0c3AinHSHMcgloZF8dq0fu1e4 a9ilrcNR496JXi7rVIzDrdx4X4+7udRXGMOZfajxuKw3PvgUv4Fgo1AczrZEYHTE s1miyq7oP9qSDfD1zrg7xOM2ViybV5UM/HhLyso+1zkrtFUCP5KJjelHqPVzVu1x o293vfxK9oDv5/NU9cEFocrYQe3i4/n7/S8Us86sYM1Orn5VdyiHLbk20LGOvgeu dK5L68iQF89ws0bmizH2/PI/LhDnMd0fnAXOTEG9UNIbyyq5Mcm9s+YwIIg6kIKo 8gtZQ8SbY/phDXGDiaRtVmSo7DGGBg== =RjH8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --kG4jyIEsjeCeFLoNSsaLe4VC7sO468wAp--