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From: Christian Borntraeger <borntraeger@de.ibm.com>
To: qemu-devel@nongnu.org
Cc: "Peter Maydell" <peter.maydell@linaro.org>,
	"Eduardo Habkost" <ehabkost@redhat.com>,
	"Alexander Graf" <agraf@suse.de>,
	"Paolo Bonzini" <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	"Jason J. Herne" <jjherne@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	"Bharata B Rao" <bharata@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	"Cornelia Huck" <cornelia.huck@de.ibm.com>,
	"Igor Mammedov" <imammedo@redhat.com>,
	"Andreas Färber" <afaerber@suse.de>,
	david@gibson.dropbear.id.au
Subject: [Qemu-devel] cpu modelling and hotplug (was: [PATCH RFC 0/4] target-i386: PC socket/core/thread modeling, part 1)
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 2015 14:43:43 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5523D0FF.7090609@de.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1427131923-4670-1-git-send-email-afaerber@suse.de>

We had a call and I was asked to write a summary about our conclusion.

The more I wrote, there more I became uncertain if we really came to a 
conclusion and became more certain that we want to define the QMP/HMP/CLI
interfaces first (or quite early in the process)

As discussed I will provide an initial document as a discussion starter

So here is my current understanding with each piece of information on one line, so 
that everybody can correct me or make additions:

current wrap-up of architecture support
-------------------
x86
- Topology possible
   - can be hierarchical
   - interfaces to query topology
- SMT: fanout in host, guest uses host threads to back guest vCPUS
- supports cpu hotplug via cpu_add

power
- Topology possible
   - interfaces to query topology?
- SMT: Power8: no threads in host and full core passed in due to HW design
       may change in the future

s/390
- Topology possible
    - can be hierarchical
    - interfaces to query topology
- always virtualized via PR/SM LPAR
    - host topology from LPAR can be heterogenous (e.g. 3 cpus in 1st socket, 4 in 2nd)
- SMT: fanout in host, guest uses host threads to back guest vCPUS


Current downsides of CPU definitions/hotplug
-----------------------------------------------
- smp, sockets=,cores=,threads= builds only homogeneous topology
- cpu_add does not tell were to add
- artificial icc bus construct on x86 for several reasons (link, sysbus not hotpluggable..)


discussions
-------------------
- we want to be able to (most important question, IHMO)
 - hotplug CPUs on power/x86/s390 and maybe others
 - define topology information
 - bind the guest topology to the host topology in some way
    - to host nodes
    - maybe also for gang scheduling of threads (might face reluctance from
      the linux scheduler folks)
    - not really deeply outlined in this call
- QOM links must be allocated at boot time, but can be set later on
    - nothing that we want to expose to users
    - Machine provides QOM links that the device_add hotplug mechanism can use to add
      new CPUs into preallocated slots. "CPUs" can be groups of cores and/or threads. 
- hotplug and initial config should use same semantics
- cpu and memory topology might be somewhat independent
--> - define nodes
    - map CPUs to nodes
    - map memory to nodes

- hotplug per
    - socket
    - core
    - thread
    ?
Now comes the part where I am not sure if we came to a conclusion or not:
- hotplug/definition per core (but not per thread) seems to handle all cases
    - core might have multiple threads ( and thus multiple cpustates)
    - as device statement (or object?)
- mapping of cpus to nodes or defining the topology not really
  outlined in this call

To be defined:
- QEMU command line for initial setup
- QEMU hmp/qmp interfaces for dynamic setup


Christian

  parent reply	other threads:[~2015-04-07 12:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-03-23 17:31 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH RFC 0/4] target-i386: PC socket/core/thread modeling, part 1 Andreas Färber
2015-03-23 17:32 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH RFC 1/4] cpu: Prepare Socket container type Andreas Färber
2015-03-23 17:32 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH RFC 2/4] target-i386: Prepare CPU socket/core abstraction Andreas Färber
2015-03-23 17:32 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH RFC 3/4] pc: Create sockets and cores for CPUs Andreas Färber
2015-03-25 16:55   ` Bharata B Rao
2015-03-25 17:13     ` Andreas Färber
2015-03-26  2:24       ` Bharata B Rao
2015-03-23 17:32 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH RFC 4/4] pc: Create initial CPUs in-place Andreas Färber
2015-03-24 14:33 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH RFC 0/4] target-i386: PC socket/core/thread modeling, part 1 Christian Borntraeger
2015-03-26 17:39 ` Igor Mammedov
2015-04-07 12:43 ` Christian Borntraeger [this message]
2015-04-07 15:07   ` [Qemu-devel] cpu modelling and hotplug (was: [PATCH RFC 0/4] target-i386: PC socket/core/thread modeling, part 1) Igor Mammedov
2015-04-08  7:07     ` [Qemu-devel] cpu modelling and hotplug Christian Borntraeger
2015-04-23  7:32   ` [Qemu-devel] cpu modelling and hotplug (was: [PATCH RFC 0/4] target-i386: PC socket/core/thread modeling, part 1) David Gibson
2015-04-23  7:37     ` David Gibson
2015-04-23 13:17     ` Eduardo Habkost
2015-04-27 10:46       ` David Gibson
2015-10-22  1:27   ` [Qemu-devel] cpu modelling and hotplug Zhu Guihua
2015-10-22 16:52     ` Andreas Färber

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