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From: "Denis V. Lunev" <den@openvz.org>
To: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
	James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>
Cc: qemu-devel@nongnu.org,
	Raushaniya Maksudova <rmaksudova@parallels.com>,
	Anthony Liguori <aliguori@amazon.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 2/2] balloon: add a feature bit to let Guest OS deflate balloon on oom
Date: Mon, 4 May 2015 12:47:38 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5547403A.5000506@openvz.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150401121225-mutt-send-email-mst@redhat.com>

On 01/04/15 13:18, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 01, 2015 at 12:51:42PM +0300, James Bottomley wrote:
>> On Wed, 2015-04-01 at 11:50 +0200, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
>>> On Wed, Apr 01, 2015 at 12:44:28PM +0300, James Bottomley wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 2015-02-27 at 09:57 +0300, Denis V. Lunev wrote:
>>>>> Excessive virtio_balloon inflation can cause invocation of OOM-killer,
>>>>> when Linux is under severe memory pressure. Various mechanisms are
>>>>> responsible for correct virtio_balloon memory management. Nevertheless it
>>>>> is often the case that these control tools does not have enough time to
>>>>> react on fast changing memory load. As a result OS runs out of memory and
>>>>> invokes OOM-killer. The balancing of memory by use of the virtio balloon
>>>>> should not cause the termination of processes while there are pages in the
>>>>> balloon. Now there is no way for virtio balloon driver to free memory at
>>>>> the last moment before some process get killed by OOM-killer.
>>>>>
>>>>> This does not provide a security breach as balloon itself is running
>>>>> inside Guest OS and is working in the cooperation with the host. Thus
>>>>> some improvements from Guest side should be considered as normal.
>>>>>
>>>>> To solve the problem, introduce a virtio_balloon callback which is
>>>>> expected to be called from the oom notifier call chain in out_of_memory()
>>>>> function. If virtio balloon could release some memory, it will make the
>>>>> system return and retry the allocation that forced the out of memory
>>>>> killer to run.
>>>>>
>>>>> This behavior should be enabled if and only if appropriate feature bit
>>>>> is set on the device. It is off by default.
>>>>>
>>>>> This functionality was recently merged into vanilla Linux.
>>>>>
>>>>>    commit 5a10b7dbf904bfe01bb9fcc6298f7df09eed77d5
>>>>>    Author: Raushaniya Maksudova <rmaksudova@parallels.com>
>>>>>    Date:   Mon Nov 10 09:36:29 2014 +1030
>>>>>
>>>>> This patch adds respective control bits into QEMU. It introduces
>>>>> deflate-on-oom option for balloon device which does the trick.
>>>> What's the status on this, please?  It's been over a month since this
>>>> was posted with no further review feedback, so I think it's ready.
>>>> Getting this into qemu is blocking our next step which would be adding
>>>> the feature bit to the virtio spec.
>>>>
>>>> James
>>> This was posted after soft feature freeze for 2.3, so it'll have to go
>>> into 2.4.  I don't see why would this block your work on the spec: you
>>> should make progress on this meanwhile.
>> I can do that ... I just thought the spec was trailing edge, so I was
>> waiting to have the patch accepted, which confirms the implementation.
>> I didn't want to write it into the spec and have the actual
>> implementation changed by review later.
>>
>> James
>>
> It's up to you really, I would just like to point out two things:
> - spec process is a long one, assuming we accept a spec change,
>    we go though a public review period, multiple votes etc.
>    About half a year to release a spec revision with
>    new features.
>    So time enough to make minor changes.
> - oasis process works like this (roughly):
> 	spec is written
> 	spec goes through a public review process
> 	community standard is published
> 	3 implementations are reported
> 	spec becomes an oasis standard
>    so implementations aren't required at early stages
2.3 is done, 2.4 window is opened....

The patch is applicable for both
git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/virt/kvm/mst/qemu.git
and vanilla qemu.

How can we proceed?

  reply	other threads:[~2015-05-04  9:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-02-27  6:57 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v5 0/2] balloon: add a feature bit to let Guest OS deflate Denis V. Lunev
2015-02-27  6:57 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 1/2] balloon: call qdev_alias_all_properties for proxy dev in balloon class init Denis V. Lunev
2015-02-27  6:57 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 2/2] balloon: add a feature bit to let Guest OS deflate balloon on oom Denis V. Lunev
2015-04-01  9:44   ` James Bottomley
2015-04-01  9:50     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-04-01  9:51       ` James Bottomley
2015-04-01 10:18         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-05-04  9:47           ` Denis V. Lunev [this message]
2015-06-08 14:54             ` James Bottomley
2015-06-08 15:24               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2015-02-26 17:39 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v4 0/2] balloon: add a feature bit to let Guest OS deflate Denis V. Lunev
2015-02-26 17:39 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 2/2] balloon: add a feature bit to let Guest OS deflate balloon on oom Denis V. Lunev
2015-02-26 20:39   ` Eric Blake
2014-11-27 12:44 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 0/2] balloon: add a feature bit to let Guest OS deflate virtio_balloon on OOM Denis V. Lunev
2014-11-27 12:44 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 2/2] balloon: add a feature bit to let Guest OS deflate balloon on oom Denis V. Lunev
2014-11-27 11:45 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v2 0/2] balloon: add a feature bit to let Guest OS deflate virtio_balloon on OOM Denis V. Lunev
2014-11-27 11:45 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 2/2] balloon: add a feature bit to let Guest OS deflate balloon on oom Denis V. Lunev
2014-11-27 11:50   ` Andrey Korolyov
2014-11-27 12:26     ` Denis V. Lunev
2014-11-27 12:28     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-11-27 14:00       ` Andrey Korolyov
2014-11-27 21:49         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-11-27 22:13           ` Andrey Korolyov
2014-11-27 12:31   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-11-27 12:34     ` Denis V. Lunev
2014-11-26 10:11 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 0/2] balloon: add a feature bit to let Guest OS deflate virtio_balloon on OOM Denis V. Lunev
2014-11-26 10:11 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 2/2] balloon: add a feature bit to let Guest OS deflate balloon on oom Denis V. Lunev
2014-11-26 11:16   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-11-27 11:04     ` Denis V. Lunev
2014-11-27 11:08       ` Michael S. Tsirkin

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