From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:47565) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YxXfV-0006yI-Hg for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 27 May 2015 05:30:34 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YxXfP-0006t1-Fs for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 27 May 2015 05:30:33 -0400 Received: from mx1.redhat.com ([209.132.183.28]:60813) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YxXfP-0006sn-8d for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 27 May 2015 05:30:27 -0400 Message-ID: <55658EAB.3010107@redhat.com> Date: Wed, 27 May 2015 11:30:19 +0200 From: Paolo Bonzini MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <555DE2EF.1000509@redhat.com> <20150522110136.GF14428@redhat.com> <20150522111259.GG14428@redhat.com> <55631B3A.7080803@redhat.com> <5564E4C9.8010906@codeaurora.org> In-Reply-To: <5564E4C9.8010906@codeaurora.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] Announcing qboot, a minimal x86 firmware for QEMU List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , To: Christopher Covington , "Daniel P. Berrange" , Peter Maydell Cc: qemu-devel , KVM list On 26/05/2015 23:25, Christopher Covington wrote: > On 05/25/2015 08:53 AM, Paolo Bonzini wrote: >> >> On 22/05/2015 13:12, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: >>> In >>> particular I don't see why we need to have a SATA controller and ISA/LPC >>> bridge in every virt machine - root PCI bus only should be possible, as you >>> can provide disks via virtio-blk or virtio-scsi and serial, parallel, mouse, >>> floppy via PCI devices and/or by adding a USB bus in the cases where you >>> really need one. >> >> I think removing the ISA/LPC bridge is hard. It includes the real-time >> clock and fw_cfg, for example. > > Could VirtIO specified replacements make sense for these peripherals? Not really. virtio is too heavyweight and you'd be reinventing the wheel unnecessarily. For example, ARM's "-M virt" uses a pl011 block for the RTC, and also uses fw_cfg. Another commonly used ISA device is the UART, for which again -M virt uses a pl031. Paolo