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From: "Jason J. Herne" <jjherne@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	afaerber@suse.de, amit.shah@redhat.com, dgilbert@redhat.com,
	borntraeger@de.ibm.com, quintela@redhat.com,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v4 1/5] cpu: Provide vcpu throttling interface
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2015 10:21:40 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <55A7BDF4.4020509@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <55A657ED.3070407@redhat.com>

On 07/15/2015 08:54 AM, Paolo Bonzini wrote:
>
>
> On 15/07/2015 14:40, Jason J. Herne wrote:
>>>> I'm not sure how callbacks can pile up here. If the vcpus are
>>>> running then their thread's will execute the callbacks. If they
>>>> are not running then the use of QEMU_CLOCK_VIRTUAL_RT will
>>>> prevent the callbacks from stacking because the timer is not
>>>> running, right?
>>>
>>> Couldn't the iothread starve the VCPUs?  They need to take the
>>> iothread lock in order to process the callbacks.
>>
>> Yes, I can see the possibility here. I'm not sure what to do about
>> it though.
>>
>> Maybe this is wishful thinking :) But if the iothread lock cannot be
>> acquired then the cpu cannot run thereby preventing the guest from
>> changing a ton of pages. This will have the effect of indirectly
>> throttling the guest which will allow us to advance to the non-live
>> phase of migration rather quickly.
>
> Makes sense.  On the other hand this wouldn't prevent callbacks from
> piling up for a short time because...
>
>> And again, if we are starving on
>> the iothread lock then the guest vcpus are not executing and
>> QEMU_CLOCK_VIRTUAL_RT is not ticking, right?
>
> ... you are talking about stolen time, and QEMU_CLOCK_VIRTUAL_RT does
> count stolen time (stolen time is different for each VCPU, so you would
> have a different clock for each VCPU).
>
> QEMU_CLOCK_VIRTUAL and QEMU_CLOCK_VIRTUAL_RT(*) only pause across
> stop/cont.  (By the way, the two are the same with KVM).
>
> However, something like
>
> 	if (!atomic_xchg(&cpu->throttle_thread_scheduled, 1)) {
> 	    async_run_on_cpu(cpu, cpu_throttle_thread, NULL);
> 	}
>
> ...
> 	atomic_set(&cpu->throttle_thread_scheduled, 0);
> 	g_usleep(...);
>
> should be enough.  You'd still have many timers that could starve the
> VCPUs but, as you pointed out, in that case migration would hopefully
> finish pretty fast.
>
> Paolo
>
>

Paolo, Andreas & David, thanks for the review comments.

Has this advanced enough for a reviewed-by? The only remaining 
objections I can find are:

1. Using atomic operations to manage throttle_percentage. I'm not sure 
where atomics are applicable here. If this is still a concern hopefully 
someone can explain.

2. Callback stacking. And it seems like we are convinced that it is not 
a big issue. Anyone disagree?

-- 
-- Jason J. Herne (jjherne@linux.vnet.ibm.com)

  reply	other threads:[~2015-07-16 14:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-07-02 16:36 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v4 0/5] migration: Dynamic cpu throttling for auto-converge Jason J. Herne
2015-07-02 16:36 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v4 1/5] cpu: Provide vcpu throttling interface Jason J. Herne
2015-07-02 16:43   ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-07-02 16:58     ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2015-07-13 14:43     ` Jason J. Herne
2015-07-13 15:14       ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-07-15 12:40         ` Jason J. Herne
2015-07-15 12:54           ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-07-16 14:21             ` Jason J. Herne [this message]
2015-07-23  9:59               ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-07-31 17:12                 ` Jason J. Herne
2015-07-31 17:16                   ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-07-31 17:42                     ` Jason J. Herne
2015-07-31 18:11                       ` Jason J. Herne
2015-08-01  9:40                         ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-09-01 14:43                           ` Jason J. Herne
2015-07-02 16:47   ` Andreas Färber
2015-07-02 16:36 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v4 2/5] migration: Parameters for auto-converge cpu throttling Jason J. Herne
2015-07-02 16:36 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v4 3/5] migration: Dynamic cpu throttling for auto-converge Jason J. Herne
2015-07-02 16:36 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v4 4/5] qmp/hmp: Add throttle ratio to query-migrate and info migrate Jason J. Herne
2015-07-02 16:36 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v4 5/5] migration: Disambiguate MAX_THROTTLE Jason J. Herne

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