Re: [Qemu-devel] [PULL for-2.4 0/7] update ipxe roms, fix efi support

[Laszlo Ersek <lersek@redhat.com>]

On 07/22/15 13:42, Stefan Hajnoczi wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 11:05 AM, Laszlo Ersek <lersek@redhat.com> wrote:
>> On 07/22/15 11:05, Stefan Hajnoczi wrote:
>>> On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 12:58:59AM +0200, Laszlo Ersek wrote:
>>>> On 07/21/15 18:10, Stefan Hajnoczi wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 3:28 PM, Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On 21/07/2015 16:25, Peter Maydell wrote:
>>>>> or work
>>>>> with others to add upstream maintainers.
>>>>
>>>> When we can't get the maintainer's attention for our patches, and when
>>>> the maintainer tends to rewrite even those patches he more or less
>>>> likes, how do you propose we convince him to give *push access* to
>>>> random people?
>>>>
>>>>> I see that Hannes Reinecke
>>>>> also has patches on ipxe-devel that look ignored, so Gred and Laszlo
>>>>> are not the only ones struggling to get patches upstream into ipxe.
>>>>
>>>> I've said it several times (on other lists too), and I'll say it again:
>>>> ipxe is not an "open process" community project at this point. The last
>>>> half year, as Paolo indicated, and as I proved above, has been ample
>>>> experience.
>>>
>>> I understand the frustration with upstream.  Thanks for posting a
>>> summary of stranded patch series, it helped explain that.
>>>
>>> The reason I'm suggesting reaching out to Michael Brown is that the
>>> downstream repo will only be an "open process" for us virtualization
>>> developers.  It won't have a user community, support, or help improve
>>> the situation for non-virtualization developers - all things which
>>> matter for a healthy long-term open source project.
>>
>> All the things upstream ipxe has been lacking for at least half a year
>> now, without much indication that it could improve.
>>
>>> It may be simplest if Gerd maintains a QEMU downstream repository.  I'm
>>> not against that.  But let's notify Michael Brown so he has a chance to
>>> consider the problem.
>>
>> If you can reach out to Michael Brown, that would be highly appreciated.
>> Personally I lost all hope.
> 
> Done.

Thanks. Looks like you got through. Obviously, that cannot be ascribed
to anything else than blind luck, or a personal relationship from the
past. Ie. things that should not matter in open source.

In any case, I asked Michael Brown what we should do differently next time.

Laszlo