From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:40255) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZI0K2-0000tN-L3 for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 22 Jul 2015 16:08:59 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZI0Jy-0006DF-NW for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 22 Jul 2015 16:08:58 -0400 Received: from mx1.redhat.com ([209.132.183.28]:58230) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZI0Jy-0006Cw-Fp for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 22 Jul 2015 16:08:54 -0400 References: <55AE0821.5040701@redhat.com> <55AE4D60.3000908@redhat.com> <55AE52A3.1060108@redhat.com> <55AE570F.30602@redhat.com> <55AECEB3.4080308@redhat.com> <20150722090554.GB2905@stefanha-thinkpad.redhat.com> <55AF6AE7.6050908@redhat.com> From: Laszlo Ersek Message-ID: <55AFF852.1040605@redhat.com> Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2015 22:08:50 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PULL for-2.4 0/7] update ipxe roms, fix efi support List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , To: Stefan Hajnoczi Cc: Peter Maydell , QEMU Developers , Hannes Reinecke , Stefan Hajnoczi , Paolo Bonzini , Gerd Hoffmann On 07/22/15 13:42, Stefan Hajnoczi wrote: > On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 11:05 AM, Laszlo Ersek wrote: >> On 07/22/15 11:05, Stefan Hajnoczi wrote: >>> On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 12:58:59AM +0200, Laszlo Ersek wrote: >>>> On 07/21/15 18:10, Stefan Hajnoczi wrote: >>>>> On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 3:28 PM, Paolo Bonzini wrote: >>>>>> On 21/07/2015 16:25, Peter Maydell wrote: >>>>> or work >>>>> with others to add upstream maintainers. >>>> >>>> When we can't get the maintainer's attention for our patches, and when >>>> the maintainer tends to rewrite even those patches he more or less >>>> likes, how do you propose we convince him to give *push access* to >>>> random people? >>>> >>>>> I see that Hannes Reinecke >>>>> also has patches on ipxe-devel that look ignored, so Gred and Laszlo >>>>> are not the only ones struggling to get patches upstream into ipxe. >>>> >>>> I've said it several times (on other lists too), and I'll say it again: >>>> ipxe is not an "open process" community project at this point. The last >>>> half year, as Paolo indicated, and as I proved above, has been ample >>>> experience. >>> >>> I understand the frustration with upstream. Thanks for posting a >>> summary of stranded patch series, it helped explain that. >>> >>> The reason I'm suggesting reaching out to Michael Brown is that the >>> downstream repo will only be an "open process" for us virtualization >>> developers. It won't have a user community, support, or help improve >>> the situation for non-virtualization developers - all things which >>> matter for a healthy long-term open source project. >> >> All the things upstream ipxe has been lacking for at least half a year >> now, without much indication that it could improve. >> >>> It may be simplest if Gerd maintains a QEMU downstream repository. I'm >>> not against that. But let's notify Michael Brown so he has a chance to >>> consider the problem. >> >> If you can reach out to Michael Brown, that would be highly appreciated. >> Personally I lost all hope. > > Done. Thanks. Looks like you got through. Obviously, that cannot be ascribed to anything else than blind luck, or a personal relationship from the past. Ie. things that should not matter in open source. In any case, I asked Michael Brown what we should do differently next time. Laszlo