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From: Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy <vsementsov@virtuozzo.com>
To: Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@redhat.com>, "Denis V. Lunev" <den@openvz.org>
Cc: kwolf@redhat.com, jsnow@redhat.com, qemu-devel@nongnu.org,
	pbonzini@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v2 RFC 0/8] block: persistent dirty bitmaps
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2015 09:26:20 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <55DD5C0C.7030209@virtuozzo.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150612103656.GD623@stefanha-thinkpad.redhat.com>

On 12.06.2015 13:36, Stefan Hajnoczi wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 12:58:35PM +0300, Denis V. Lunev wrote:
>> On 11/06/15 23:06, Stefan Hajnoczi wrote:
>>> The load/store API is not scalable when bitmaps are 1 MB or larger.
>>>
>>> For example, a 500 GB disk image with 64 KB granularity requires a 1 MB
>>> bitmap.  If a guest has several disk images of this size, then multiple
>>> megabytes must be read to start the guest and written out to shut down
>>> the guest.
>>>
>>> By comparison, the L1 table for the 500 GB disk image is less than 8 KB.
>>>
>>> I think something like qcow2-cache.c or metabitmaps should be used to
>>> lazily read/write persistent bitmaps.  That way only small portions need
>>> to be read/written at a time.
>>>
>>> Stefan
>> for the first iteration we could open the image, start tracking,
>> read bitmap as one entity in the background and or read
>> and collected data.
>>
>> partial read could be done in the next step
> Making bitmap load/store fully lazy will require changes to the
> load/store API, so it's worth thinking about a little upfront.
> Otherwise there will be a lot of code churn when the fully lazy patches
> are posted.  As a reviewer it's in my interest to only spend time
> reviewing the final version instead of code that gets thrown out :-),
> but I understand.
>
> If you can make the read lazy to some extent that's a good start.
That way we can improve load performance, but what about store?

I see two solutions:
1) meta bitmaps (already mentioned)
2) Always (optionally?) have two bitmaps instead one: backing, which 
should be equal to the bitmap, already stored to the image, and active 
delta. This can be used instead of meta bitmaps in migration too.

difference:
with meta bitmaps we have double time overhead for writing to the bitmap 
(which is more often operations as I think),
with second approach we have double overhead for read from the bitmap 
(but for backup, we can *or* these two bitmaps once, and it can be done 
fast, using the power of HBitmap). And of course double ram overhead..

-- 
Best regards,
Vladimir
* now, @virtuozzo.com instead of @parallels.com. Sorry for this inconvenience.

  reply	other threads:[~2015-08-26  6:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 76+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-06-08 15:21 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v2 RFC 0/8] block: persistent dirty bitmaps Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2015-06-08 15:21 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 1/8] spec: add qcow2-dirty-bitmaps specification Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2015-06-09 16:01   ` John Snow
2015-06-09 17:03   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2015-06-10  8:19     ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2015-06-10  8:49       ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2015-06-10 13:00       ` Eric Blake
2015-06-11 10:16         ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2015-06-10 13:24       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2015-06-11 10:19         ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2015-06-11 13:03           ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2015-06-11 16:21             ` John Snow
2015-06-12 10:28               ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2015-06-12 15:19                 ` John Snow
2015-06-10 15:34   ` Kevin Wolf
2015-06-11 10:25     ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2015-06-11 16:30       ` John Snow
2015-06-12  8:33         ` Kevin Wolf
2015-08-24 10:46     ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2015-08-24 13:30   ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2015-08-24 14:08     ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2015-08-24 14:04   ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2015-08-31 22:21   ` Eric Blake
2015-08-31 22:24     ` John Snow
2015-06-08 15:21 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 2/8] qcow2: add dirty-bitmaps feature Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2015-06-09 16:52   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2015-06-10 14:30   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2015-06-12 19:02     ` John Snow
2015-06-15 14:42       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2015-06-23 17:57         ` John Snow
2015-06-24  9:39           ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2015-08-14 17:14     ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2015-08-26  9:09       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2015-06-11 23:04   ` John Snow
2015-06-15 14:05     ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2015-06-15 16:53       ` John Snow
2015-06-12 21:55   ` John Snow
2015-08-26 13:15     ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2015-08-26 14:14       ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2015-08-27 12:43   ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2015-06-08 15:21 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 3/8] block: store persistent dirty bitmaps Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2015-06-08 15:21 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 4/8] block: add bdrv_load_dirty_bitmap Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2015-06-09 16:01   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2015-06-10 22:33     ` John Snow
2015-06-11 10:41       ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2015-06-08 15:21 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 5/8] qcow2: add qcow2_dirty_bitmap_delete_all Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2015-06-08 15:21 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 6/8] qcow2: add autoclear bit for dirty bitmaps Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2015-06-09 15:49   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2015-06-09 15:50   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2015-08-27  7:45     ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2015-08-31 11:06       ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2015-08-31 22:39       ` Eric Blake
2015-08-31 22:50         ` Eric Blake
2015-06-10 23:42   ` John Snow
2015-06-11  8:35     ` Kevin Wolf
2015-06-11 10:49     ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2015-06-11 16:36       ` John Snow
2015-06-08 15:21 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 7/8] qemu: command line option " Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2015-06-11 20:57   ` John Snow
2015-06-12 21:49   ` John Snow
2015-06-08 15:21 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 8/8] iotests: test internal persistent dirty bitmap Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2015-06-09 16:17   ` Eric Blake
2015-06-10 15:27 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v2 RFC 0/8] block: persistent dirty bitmaps Stefan Hajnoczi
2015-06-11 11:22   ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2015-06-11 13:14     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2015-06-11 20:06 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2015-06-12  9:58   ` Denis V. Lunev
2015-06-12 10:36     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2015-08-26  6:26       ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy [this message]
2015-08-26  9:13         ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2015-06-12 19:34 ` John Snow
2015-06-17 14:29   ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2015-06-24  0:21     ` John Snow
2015-07-08 12:24       ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2015-07-08 15:21         ` John Snow
2015-08-27 10:08       ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy

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