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From: Richard Henderson <rth@twiddle.net>
To: "Alex Bennée" <alex.bennee@linaro.org>
Cc: dl.soluz@gmx.net, qemu-devel@nongnu.org, aurelien@aurel32.net,
	atar4qemu@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [RFC 00/20] Do away with TB retranslation
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2015 13:19:31 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <55F87D53.1060108@twiddle.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87r3m685pg.fsf@linaro.org>

On 09/10/2015 11:55 AM, Alex Bennée wrote:
> I've only had a quick glance so far but I'm fairly familiar with the
> concept from a previous life. I'll aim to do a full review later once
> I've gotten through my MTTCG review backlog.
> 
> Anyway some quick points:
> 
>  * You can save data by only marking faulting instructions
> 
> Assuming that all asynchronous instructions trigger at the end/prologue
> of basic blocks you only actually need to record the address of
> potentially faulting instructions. In fact only a few backend
> instructions will actually synchronously fault.
> 
> Of course this does have the downside of having to mark all those
> instructions in the front end.

We have that.  The only tcg opcodes that can fault are qemu_ld, qemu_st, and
call.  So, yes, I could do exactly this.  Perhaps not for round 1, however?

>  * This method can also be used for additional rectification data
> 
> AIUI we currently ensure all load/stores are barriers and ensure the CPU
> register file is updated before the occur. However if you wanted to you
> could drop that requirement and mark the target-host register pair and
> only fish it out when required on a fault.

Maybe.  I'd have to think about this.  We'd probably want to study how many
flushes to the register file this could elide.  My off-the-cuff guess is not
enough to make the extra overhead useful.

>  * Test suites are essential if your going to get clever
> 
> Last time I went through this I built a SPARC test suite to cover all
> faulting instructions in all the various addressing modes. It flushed
> out a lot of bugs.

Indeed.  It would indeed be good to add a bunch of bare-metal tests.
Pre-compiled and checked in so that one doesn't have to have a suite of
cross-compilers in order to use them.

OTOH, I don't see myself (or anyone else) really having the time to do that.


r~

  reply	other threads:[~2015-09-15 20:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 62+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-09-02  5:51 [Qemu-devel] [RFC 00/20] Do away with TB retranslation Richard Henderson
2015-09-02  5:51 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 02/20] target-*: Unconditionally emit tcg_gen_insn_start Richard Henderson
2015-09-02  5:51 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 03/20] tcg: Allow extra data to be attached to insn_start Richard Henderson
2015-09-08 18:44   ` Peter Maydell
2015-09-02  5:51 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 04/20] target-arm: Add condexec state " Richard Henderson
2015-09-02  5:51 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 05/20] target-i386: Add cc_op " Richard Henderson
2015-09-02  5:51 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 06/20] target-mips: Add delayed branch " Richard Henderson
2015-09-02  5:51 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 07/20] target-s390x: Add cc_op " Richard Henderson
2015-09-02  5:51 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 08/20] target-sh4: Add flags " Richard Henderson
2015-09-02  5:51 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 09/20] target-cris: Mirror gen_opc_pc into insn_start Richard Henderson
2015-09-02  5:51 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 10/20] target-sparc: Tidy gen_branch_a interface Richard Henderson
2015-09-02  5:51 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 11/20] target-sparc: Split out gen_branch_n Richard Henderson
2015-09-02  5:51 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 12/20] target-sparc: Remove gen_opc_jump_pc Richard Henderson
2015-09-02  5:51 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 13/20] target-sparc: Add npc state to insn_start Richard Henderson
2015-09-02  5:51 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 14/20] tcg: Merge cpu_gen_code into tb_gen_code Richard Henderson
2015-09-02  5:51 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 15/20] target-*: Drop cpu_gen_code define Richard Henderson
2015-09-02  5:51 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 16/20] tcg: Add TCG_MAX_INSNS Richard Henderson
2015-09-02  5:52 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 17/20] tcg: Pass data argument to restore_state_to_opc Richard Henderson
2015-09-08 18:46   ` Peter Maydell
2015-09-17 19:39     ` Richard Henderson
2015-09-02  5:52 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 18/20] tcg: Save insn data and use it in cpu_restore_state_from_tb Richard Henderson
2015-09-10 13:49   ` Peter Maydell
2015-09-11 10:29     ` Sergey Fedorov
2015-09-11 10:32       ` Peter Maydell
2015-09-11 10:46         ` Sergey Fedorov
2015-09-15 20:08     ` Richard Henderson
2015-09-02  5:52 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 19/20] tcg: Remove gen_intermediate_code_pc Richard Henderson
2015-09-08 18:49   ` Peter Maydell
2015-09-02  5:52 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 20/20] tcg: Remove tcg_gen_code_search_pc Richard Henderson
2015-09-02 12:21 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC 00/20] Do away with TB retranslation Max Filippov
2015-09-02 14:21   ` Richard Henderson
2015-09-04 15:18     ` Max Filippov
2015-09-04 15:31       ` Peter Maydell
2015-09-04 16:46       ` Richard Henderson
2015-09-04 17:07         ` Max Filippov
2015-09-05 14:11         ` Mark Cave-Ayland
2015-09-06 20:19           ` Richard Henderson
2015-09-09 15:35             ` Artyom Tarasenko
2015-09-08 18:56 ` Peter Maydell
2015-09-08 19:00   ` Richard Henderson
2015-09-08 19:06     ` Peter Maydell
2015-09-08 19:28       ` Richard Henderson
2015-09-08 20:25         ` Peter Maydell
2015-09-09 15:05     ` Artyom Tarasenko
2015-09-09 16:18       ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-09-09 17:48         ` Artyom Tarasenko
2015-09-10  6:07     ` Dennis Luehring
2015-09-10  7:00       ` Artyom Tarasenko
2015-09-10  9:32         ` Dennis Luehring
2015-09-10  9:54           ` Artyom Tarasenko
2015-09-10 10:37             ` Dennis Luehring
2015-09-10 10:57               ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-09-10 11:02               ` Dennis Luehring
2015-09-10 11:20                 ` Artyom Tarasenko
2015-09-10 13:54   ` Peter Maydell
2015-09-10 17:48 ` Aurelien Jarno
2015-09-13 21:00   ` Aurelien Jarno
2015-09-10 18:55 ` Alex Bennée
2015-09-15 20:19   ` Richard Henderson [this message]
2015-09-16  6:19     ` Dennis Luehring
2015-09-16  8:59     ` Alex Bennée
2015-09-16 20:41       ` Richard Henderson

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