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From: Laszlo Ersek <lersek@redhat.com>
To: Eric Blake <eblake@redhat.com>, "Gabriel L. Somlo" <somlo@cmu.edu>
Cc: pbonzini@redhat.com, qemu-devel@nongnu.org, jordan.l.justen@intel.com
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH] fw_cfg: insert string blobs via qemu cmdline
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2015 22:56:32 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5609A980.8000400@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <56099C45.6060707@redhat.com>

On 09/28/15 22:00, Eric Blake wrote:
> On 09/28/2015 01:51 PM, Gabriel L. Somlo wrote:
>> On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 01:46:33PM -0600, Eric Blake wrote:
>>> On 09/28/2015 07:30 AM, Laszlo Ersek wrote:
>>>
>>>>>  
>>>>> +Small enough items may be provided directly as strings on the command
>>>>> +line, using the syntax:
>>>>> +
>>>>> +    -fw_cfg [name=]<item_name>,content=<string>
>>>>> +
>>>>
>>>> Please consider spelling out that these blobs will NOT be NUL-terminated
>>>> when viewed on the guest. (It kinda follows from all the other fw_cfg
>>>> things, but once we leave host-side files for qemu command line strings,
>>>> it might become non-obvious to users.)
>>>
>>> Or else GUARANTEE that it will be NUL-terminated (and the only way to
>>> get blobs that are not NUL terminated is to use files rather than content=).
>>
>> I went with the first suggestion (leave out the trailing '\0' from the
>> blob payload, and say so in docs/specs/fw_cfg.txt) in v2 of the patch.
>>
>> Do you feel strongly about including the \0 ? Otherwise, we're already
>> there :)
> 
> I don't know what users are more likely to want to push through. A
> trailing NUL implies a binary file (as text files cannot contain \0),
> but even without a trailing NUL, a file is not a text file (per the
> POSIX definition) unless it is either empty or ends in a newline.  Use
> of content=... is unlikely to have users remembering to place a newline
> there if examples don't suggest it.  And I don't know if guests are
> expecting text data from these blobs, or are okay with binary blobs.

fw_cfg blobs are considered binary, unless a specific selector key or
fw_cfg file name makes different arrangements. (Described in QEMU docs,
or elsewhere.) See more below.

> That's a long-winded way of stating that omitting the NUL is fine by me,
> as long as you document it, and as long as you are catering to the most
> common user usage of the feature.

The main consumer of the -fw_cfg switch is guest firmware (and, perhaps
soon, the guest kernel too); the idea is to pass down firmware config
items without QEMU being aware of their actual meaning. Therefore I'd
like to see as little smarts as possible in QEMU wrt. the content passed
down with -fw_cfg.

> 
> Either that, or it's my way of dreaming about alternative 3: guarantee a
> trailing newline (rather than NUL), so that 'content="abc"' on the
> command line results in the 4-byte blob "abc\n" in the guest.
> 

Please don't :)

The current client code in OVMF (in effect for two specific fw_cfg file
names) recognizes the following content pattern:

  [0nN1yY](\n|\r\n)?

E.g., QEMU may pass in a simple host-side file as an fw_cfg entry on a
Windows host too. If you edited that file with "notepad.exe", it'll have
\r\n, or maybe no line terminator at all. Other (really binary) blobs
(passed in with file=...) may have embedded \0 characters.

I think such flexibility is best left to the firmware, or else should be
restricted in specifications living outside of QEMU, and QEMU should be
dumb and transparent here, in accordance with the original goal of this
feature.

Re: policy vs. mechanism, the opt/ prefix is also strongly recommended
(for the names), but we don't enforce it.

Thanks!
Laszlo

  reply	other threads:[~2015-09-28 20:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 12+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-09-26 22:55 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH] fw_cfg: insert string blobs via qemu cmdline Gabriel L. Somlo
2015-09-28 13:30 ` Laszlo Ersek
2015-09-28 15:05   ` Gabriel L. Somlo
2015-09-28 19:46   ` Eric Blake
2015-09-28 19:51     ` Gabriel L. Somlo
2015-09-28 20:00       ` Eric Blake
2015-09-28 20:56         ` Laszlo Ersek [this message]
2015-09-28 21:05           ` Laszlo Ersek
2015-09-28 21:45             ` Gabriel L. Somlo
2015-09-28 22:08               ` Laszlo Ersek
2015-09-28 22:47                 ` Gabriel L. Somlo
2015-09-29  7:16                   ` Laszlo Ersek

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