From: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
To: Laszlo Ersek <lersek@redhat.com>,
Peter Maydell <peter.maydell@linaro.org>
Cc: QEMU Developers <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
Eduardo Habkost <ehabkost@redhat.com>,
Richard Henderson <rth@twiddle.net>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 1/2] target-i386: Use 1UL for bit shift
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2015 10:34:52 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <560E41AC.2030706@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <560D86BE.1050404@redhat.com>
On 01/10/2015 21:17, Laszlo Ersek wrote:
> - In the firmware, allocate an array of bytes, dynamically. This array
> will have no declared type.
>
> - Populate the array byte-wise, from fw_cfg. Because the stores happen
> through character-typed lvalues, they do not "imbue" the target
> object with any effective type, for further accesses that do not
> modify the value. (I.e., for further reads.)
>
> - Get a (uint8_t*) into the array somewhere, and cast it to
> (struct acpi_table_hdr *). Read fields through the cast pointer.
> Assuming no out-of-bounds situation (considering the entire
> pointed to acpi_table_hdr struct), and assuming no alignment
> violations for the fields (which is implementation-defined), these
> accesses will be fine.
>
> *However*. If in point 2 you populate the array with uint64_t accesses,
> that *does* imbue the array elements with an effective type that is
> binding for further read accesses.
Then don't do it. Use memcpy from uint64_t to the array. Type punning
has other problems than aliasing---for example some architectures
require pointers to be correctly aligned when accessing objects bigger
than a byte.
> ... I don't know who on earth has brain capacity for tracking this.
If you can't understand a rule (or understanding it burns too much of
your brain cycles), just find a pattern that lets you respect it without
much thought. For strict aliasing it's just "don't cast pointer types"
with a single exception, namely casting a pointer to struct to a pointer
to the first member's type and the other way round. Everything else can
either be expressed as container_of, or simply prohibited.
> Effective type *does* propagate in a trackable manner, but it is one
> order of magnitude harder to follow for humans than integer conversions
> -- and resultant ranges -- are (and those are hard enough already!).
Integer conversions are already too much for me, in fact.
Here my pattern there is just: 1) use uint16_t as sparsely as possible
(because the result of a multiplication can overflow, unlike uint8_t);
2) never write unsigned int constants---this doesn't apply to unsigned
long long constants, which instead I use liberally; 3) rely heavily on
Coverity to detect narrow types being used as {,u}int64_t after
arithmetic has been done on int.
Never writing unsigned int constants conflicts heavily with this ubsan
rule. And I can always use the excuse that I'm writing gnu89 code
rather than c99. :)
Paolo
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2015-10-02 8:35 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2015-09-29 20:34 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 0/2] target-i386: Fix undefined behavior on bit shifts Eduardo Habkost
2015-09-29 20:34 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 1/2] target-i386: Use 1UL for bit shift Eduardo Habkost
2015-09-30 13:27 ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-09-30 20:24 ` Richard Henderson
2015-10-01 8:29 ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-10-01 9:24 ` Peter Maydell
2015-10-01 13:52 ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-10-01 17:07 ` Laszlo Ersek
2015-10-01 17:30 ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-10-01 17:38 ` Peter Maydell
2015-10-01 19:17 ` Laszlo Ersek
2015-10-02 8:34 ` Paolo Bonzini [this message]
2015-10-02 11:14 ` Laszlo Ersek
2015-10-02 12:07 ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-10-04 2:34 ` Kevin O'Connor
2015-10-01 20:35 ` Markus Armbruster
2015-10-01 18:40 ` Laszlo Ersek
2015-10-02 8:48 ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-09-29 20:34 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 2/2] target-i386: Don't left shift negative constant Eduardo Habkost
2015-10-01 1:35 ` Richard Henderson
2015-10-01 17:06 ` Eduardo Habkost
2015-10-23 15:07 ` Eduardo Habkost
2015-10-23 18:20 ` Richard Henderson
Reply instructions:
You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:
* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
and reply-to-all from there: mbox
Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style
* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
switches of git-send-email(1):
git send-email \
--in-reply-to=560E41AC.2030706@redhat.com \
--to=pbonzini@redhat.com \
--cc=ehabkost@redhat.com \
--cc=lersek@redhat.com \
--cc=peter.maydell@linaro.org \
--cc=qemu-devel@nongnu.org \
--cc=rth@twiddle.net \
/path/to/YOUR_REPLY
https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html
* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line
before the message body.
This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox;
as well as URLs for NNTP newsgroup(s).