From: Thomas Huth <thuth@redhat.com>
To: "Dr. David Alan Gilbert" <dgilbert@redhat.com>,
Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@gmail.com>
Cc: Peter Maydell <peter.maydell@linaro.org>,
Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>,
qemu-devel@nongnu.org
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] Coding style for errors
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 17:44:13 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <5630FB5D.9040003@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20151023170240.GG2711@work-vm>
On 23/10/15 19:02, Dr. David Alan Gilbert wrote:
> * Stefan Hajnoczi (stefanha@gmail.com) wrote:
>> On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 03:30:34PM +0200, Lluís Vilanova wrote:
>>> Markus Armbruster writes:
>>>
>>>> Lluís Vilanova <vilanova@ac.upc.edu> writes:
>>> [...]
>>>>> So, is there any agreement on what should be used? If so, could that please be
>>>>> added to CODING_STYLE?
>>>
>>>> I think HACKING would be a better fit.
>>>
>>> What about this? (at the end of HACKING) Feel free to add references to other
>>> functions you think are important. I'll send a patch once we agree on the text.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Lluis
>>>
>>>
>>> 7. Error reporting
>>
>> Guest-triggerable errors should not terminate QEMU. There are plently
>> of examples where this is violated today but there are good reasons to
>> stop doing it.
>>
>> Denial of service cases:
>>
>> 1. If a guest userspace application is somehow able to trigger a QEMU
>> abort, then an unprivileged guest application is able to bring down
>> the whole VM.
>>
>> 2. If nested virtualization is used, it's possible that a nested guest
>> can kill its parent, and thereby also kill its sibling VMs.
>>
>> 3. abort(3) is heavyweight if crash reporting/coredumps are enabled. A
>> broken/malicious guest that keeps triggering abort(3) can be a big
>> nuisance that consumes memory, disk, and CPU resources.
>>
>> Emulated hardware should behave the same way that physical hardware
>> behaves. This may mean that the device becomes non-operational (ignores
>> or fails new requests) until the next hard or soft reset.
>
> I'd add that if the QEMU detects that the guest has done something really
> stupid and that the device is now dead until reset, then it should
> output something diagnostic into the logs; otherwise everyone just
> blames qemu and says it stopped (and I mean log, not trace - I want
> to see this in the type of thing a users sends so that we have some
> idea where to look immediately).
... and call qemu_system_guest_panicked() so that the management layers
can flag the guest accordingly?
Thomas
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2015-10-28 16:44 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 12+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2015-10-21 15:03 [Qemu-devel] Coding style for errors Lluís Vilanova
2015-10-21 15:14 ` Eric Blake
2015-10-21 19:41 ` Lluís Vilanova
2015-10-21 16:48 ` Markus Armbruster
2015-10-21 20:16 ` Peter Maydell
2015-10-22 13:30 ` Lluís Vilanova
2015-10-23 16:01 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2015-10-23 16:12 ` Laszlo Ersek
2015-10-23 17:02 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2015-10-28 16:44 ` Thomas Huth [this message]
2015-10-23 17:34 ` Lluís Vilanova
2015-10-26 11:39 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
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