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From: John Snow <jsnow@redhat.com>
To: Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@redhat.com>
Cc: vsementsov@virtuozzo.com, famz@redhat.com, armbru@redhat.com,
	qemu-block@nongnu.org, qemu-devel@nongnu.org
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v10 00/14] block: incremental backup transactions using BlockJobTxn
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 12:46:16 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5638F2E8.2010703@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20151103152208.GF15414@stefanha-x1.localdomain>



On 11/03/2015 10:22 AM, Stefan Hajnoczi wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 07:56:38PM -0400, John Snow wrote:
>> Welcome to V10!
>>
>> Where'd 8 and 9 go? Private off-list missives from Fam.
>> Now you, I, and everyone on qemu-devel are staring at V10.
>>
>> What's new in V10?
>>
>> I replaced the per-action "transactional-cancel" parameter with
>> a per-transaction paremeter named "err-cancel" which is implemented
>> as an enum in case we want to add new behaviors in the future, such
>> as a "jobs only" cancel mode.
>>
>> For now, it's "all" or "none", and if you use it with actions that
>> do not support the latent transactional cancel, you will receive
>> an error for your troubles.
> 
> I left comments on a few patches.
> 
> The "err-cancel" and "ActionCancelMode" naming does not describe the
> concept fully, since successful block jobs will also behave differently
> (waiting for each other to finish before fully completing).
> "blockjob-transactions" is the best name I can think of that describes
> the full concept rather than focus on just cancellation.
> 

There's two hard problems in Computer Science...

I mean, cancellation certainly is the biggest change in net behavior,
though we are fiddling with the timings of the completion notices.

OK, so continuing on my inability to name this feature ...

blockjob-transactions = { individual, grouped, jobs-only }

where we'd support "individual" as the default,
"grouped" is the forced cancellation mode, and
jobs-only is a hypothetical future mode that adds jobs to the group, and
ignoring non-jobs' inability to join the transaction.

Still, it seems weird to have:
transaction 'properties': {'blockjob-transactions': 'grouped'},
it feels redundant to me.


How about:

completion-mode = { individual, grouped }

Avoids repeating "Transaction" and does not hyperfocus on cancellation.

> Besides that I'm happy with the QMP interface.
> 

  reply	other threads:[~2015-11-03 17:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 35+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-10-23 23:56 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v10 00/14] block: incremental backup transactions using BlockJobTxn John Snow
2015-10-23 23:56 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v10 01/14] qapi: Add transaction support to block-dirty-bitmap operations John Snow
2015-10-23 23:56 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v10 02/14] iotests: add transactional incremental backup test John Snow
2015-10-23 23:56 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v10 03/14] block: rename BlkTransactionState and BdrvActionOps John Snow
2015-11-03 16:33   ` [Qemu-devel] [Qemu-block] " Jeff Cody
2015-11-03 17:32     ` John Snow
2015-10-23 23:56 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v10 04/14] backup: Extract dirty bitmap handling as a separate function John Snow
2015-10-23 23:56 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v10 05/14] blockjob: Introduce reference count and fix reference to job->bs John Snow
2015-10-23 23:56 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v10 06/14] blockjob: Add .commit and .abort block job actions John Snow
2015-10-23 23:56 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v10 07/14] blockjob: Add "completed" and "ret" in BlockJob John Snow
2015-10-23 23:56 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v10 08/14] blockjob: Simplify block_job_finish_sync John Snow
2015-11-03 13:52   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2015-10-23 23:56 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v10 09/14] block: Add block job transactions John Snow
2015-10-23 23:56 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v10 10/14] block/backup: Rely on commit/abort for cleanup John Snow
2015-10-23 23:56 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v10 11/14] block: Add BlockJobTxn support to backup_run John Snow
2015-10-23 23:56 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v10 12/14] block: add transactional properties John Snow
2015-11-03 15:17   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2015-11-03 17:27     ` John Snow
2015-11-05 10:47       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2015-11-05 18:52         ` John Snow
2015-11-05 19:35           ` Markus Armbruster
2015-11-05 19:43             ` John Snow
2015-11-06  8:32           ` [Qemu-devel] [Qemu-block] " Kevin Wolf
2015-11-06 16:36             ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2015-11-06 18:46             ` John Snow
2015-11-06 20:35               ` John Snow
2015-11-03 15:23   ` [Qemu-devel] " Eric Blake
2015-11-03 17:31     ` John Snow
2015-11-03 17:35       ` Eric Blake
2015-10-23 23:56 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v10 13/14] iotests: 124 - transactional failure test John Snow
2015-10-23 23:56 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v10 14/14] tests: add BlockJobTxn unit test John Snow
2015-11-02 21:06 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v10 00/14] block: incremental backup transactions using BlockJobTxn John Snow
2015-11-03 15:22 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2015-11-03 17:46   ` John Snow [this message]
2015-11-03 22:07     ` John Snow

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