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From: David Vrabel <david.vrabel@citrix.com>
To: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Ian Campbell <ian.campbell@citrix.com>,
	Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com>,
	Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org,
	Alexander Duyck <alexander.duyck@gmail.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	David Vrabel <david.vrabel@citrix.com>,
	xen-devel@lists.xenproject.org,
	Boris Ostrovsky <boris.ostrovsky@oracle.com>,
	virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [Xen-devel] new barrier type for paravirt (was Re: [PATCH] virtio_ring: use smp_store_mb)
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2015 10:47:49 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5677D8D5.7080700@citrix.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20151220105146-mutt-send-email-mst@redhat.com>

On 20/12/15 09:25, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> 
> I noticed that drivers/xen/xenbus/xenbus_comms.c uses
> full memory barriers to communicate with the other side.
> For example:
> 
>                 /* Must write data /after/ reading the consumer index.  * */
>                 mb();
> 
>                 memcpy(dst, data, avail);
>                 data += avail;
>                 len -= avail;
>         
>                 /* Other side must not see new producer until data is * there. */
>                 wmb();
>                 intf->req_prod += avail;
>                 
>                 /* Implies mb(): other side will see the updated producer. */
>                 notify_remote_via_evtchn(xen_store_evtchn);
> 
> To me, it looks like for guests compiled with CONFIG_SMP, smp_wmb and smp_mb
> would be sufficient, so mb() and wmb() here are only needed if
> a non-SMP guest runs on an SMP host.
> 
> Is my analysis correct?

For x86, yes.

For arm/arm64 I think so, but would prefer one of the Xen arm
maintainers to confirm.  In particular, whether inner-shareable barriers
are sufficient for memory shared with the hypervisor.

> So what I'm suggesting is something like the below patch,
> except instead of using virtio directly, a new set of barriers
> that behaves identically for SMP and non-SMP guests will be introduced.
> 
> And of course the weak barriers flag is not needed for Xen -
> that's a virtio only thing.
> 
> For example:
> 
> smp_pv_wmb()
> smp_pv_rmb()
> smp_pv_mb()

The smp_ prefix doesn't make a lot of sense to me here since these
barriers are going to be the same whether the kernel is SMP or not.

David

  parent reply	other threads:[~2015-12-21 10:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-12-17 10:32 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH] virtio_ring: use smp_store_mb Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-12-17 10:52 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-12-17 13:16   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-12-17 13:57     ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-12-17 14:33       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-12-17 14:39         ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-12-17 14:43           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-12-20  9:25           ` [Qemu-devel] new barrier type for paravirt (was Re: [PATCH] virtio_ring: use smp_store_mb) Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-12-20 17:07             ` [Qemu-devel] [Xen-devel] " Andrew Cooper
2015-12-20 19:59               ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-12-21  7:10                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-12-21  7:22                   ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH RFC] smp_store_mb should use smp_mb Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-12-21 10:47             ` David Vrabel [this message]
2015-12-21 11:52               ` [Qemu-devel] [Xen-devel] new barrier type for paravirt (was Re: [PATCH] virtio_ring: use smp_store_mb) Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-12-21 14:50               ` Stefano Stabellini
2015-12-17 11:22 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH] virtio_ring: use smp_store_mb Peter Zijlstra
2015-12-17 13:26   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-12-17 14:02     ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-12-17 14:34       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-12-17 15:09         ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-12-17 15:52           ` Will Deacon
2015-12-17 19:21             ` Michael S. Tsirkin

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