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From: Stefan Berger <stefanb@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: "Daniel P. Berrange" <berrange@redhat.com>,
	Stefan Berger <stefanb@us.ibm.com>
Cc: mst@redhat.com, qemu-devel@nongnu.org, jb613w@att.com,
	quan.xu@intel.com, silviu.vlasceanu@gmail.com,
	hagen.lauer@huawei.com
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v5 1/4] Provide support for the CUSE TPM
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2016 10:54:47 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <569FADC7.7060301@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160120154657.GF13215@redhat.com>

On 01/20/2016 10:46 AM, Daniel P. Berrange wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 10:31:56AM -0500, Stefan Berger wrote:
>> "Daniel P. Berrange" <berrange@redhat.com> wrote on 01/20/2016 10:00:41
>> AM:
>>
>>
>>> process at all - it would make sense if there was a single
>>> swtpm_cuse shared across all QEMU's, but if there's one per
>>> QEMU device, it feels like it'd be much simpler to just have
>>> the functionality linked in QEMU.  That avoids the problem
>> I tried having it linked in QEMU before. It was basically rejected.
> I remember an impl you did many years(?) ago now, but don't recall
> the results of the discussion. Can you elaborate on why it was
> rejected as an approach ? It just doesn't make much sense to me
> to have to create an external daemon, a CUSE device and comms
> protocol, simply to be able to read/write a plain file containing
> the TPM state. Its massive over engineering IMHO and adding way
> more complexity and thus scope for failure

The TPM 1.2 implementation adds 10s of thousands of lines of code. The 
TPM 2 implementation is in the same range. The concern was having this 
code right in the QEMU address space. It's big, it can have bugs, so we 
don't want it to harm QEMU. So we now put this into an external process 
implemented by the swtpm project that builds on libtpms which provides 
TPM 1.2 functionality (to be extended with TPM 2). We cannot call APIs 
of libtpms directly anymore, so we need a control channel, which is 
implemented through ioctls on the CUSE device.

    Stefan
>
>
> Regards,
> Daniel

  reply	other threads:[~2016-01-20 15:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 96+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-01-04 15:23 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v5 0/4] Extend TPM support with a QEMU-external TPM Stefan Berger
2016-01-04 15:23 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v5 1/4] Provide support for the CUSE TPM Stefan Berger
2016-01-20 15:00   ` Daniel P. Berrange
2016-01-20 15:31     ` Stefan Berger
     [not found]     ` <201601201532.u0KFW2q2019737@d03av03.boulder.ibm.com>
2016-01-20 15:46       ` Daniel P. Berrange
2016-01-20 15:54         ` Stefan Berger [this message]
2016-01-20 16:03           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2016-01-20 16:13             ` Stefan Berger
2016-01-20 16:22           ` Daniel P. Berrange
2016-01-21 11:36             ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2016-05-31 18:58               ` BICKFORD, JEFFREY E
2016-05-31 19:10                 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2016-06-01 22:54                   ` BICKFORD, JEFFREY E
2016-06-13 10:56                   ` Stefan Berger
2016-06-01  1:58                 ` Xu, Quan
2016-06-13 11:02                   ` Stefan Berger
2016-06-15 19:30                     ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2016-06-15 20:54                       ` Stefan Berger
2016-06-16  8:05                         ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2016-06-16  8:25                           ` Daniel P. Berrange
2016-06-16 15:20                             ` Stefan Berger
2017-03-01 12:25                             ` Stefan Berger
2017-03-01 12:54                               ` Daniel P. Berrange
2017-03-01 13:25                                 ` Stefan Berger
2017-03-01 14:17                                   ` Marc-André Lureau
2017-03-01 14:50                                     ` Stefan Berger
2017-03-01 15:24                                       ` Marc-André Lureau
2017-03-01 15:58                                         ` Stefan Berger
2017-03-01 16:22                                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-03-01 16:31                                         ` Daniel P. Berrange
2017-03-01 16:57                                           ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2017-03-01 17:02                                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-03-01 17:12                                             ` Stefan Berger
2017-03-01 17:16                                               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-03-01 17:20                                                 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2017-03-01 18:03                                                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-03-01 17:25                                                 ` Stefan Berger
2017-03-01 17:38                                                   ` Daniel P. Berrange
2017-03-01 17:58                                                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-03-01 18:06                                                       ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2017-03-01 18:09                                                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-03-01 18:18                                                           ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2017-03-01 18:30                                                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-03-01 19:24                                                               ` Stefan Berger
2017-03-01 23:36                                                                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-03-01 23:42                                                                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-03-01 18:11                                                       ` Daniel P. Berrange
2017-03-01 18:20                                                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-03-01 18:32                                                           ` Marc-André Lureau
2017-03-01 18:56                                                             ` Daniel P. Berrange
2017-03-01 19:18                                                               ` Marc-André Lureau
2017-03-01 22:22                                                               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-03-01 17:36                                               ` Daniel P. Berrange
2017-03-01 15:18                                   ` Daniel P. Berrange
2017-03-01 15:40                                     ` Stefan Berger
2017-03-01 16:13                                       ` Daniel P. Berrange
2016-06-16 13:58                           ` SERBAN, CRISTINA
2016-06-16 15:04                           ` Stefan Berger
2016-06-16 15:22                             ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2016-06-16 15:35                               ` Stefan Berger
2016-06-16 17:54                                 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2016-06-16 18:43                                   ` Stefan Berger
2016-06-16 19:24                                     ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2016-06-16 21:28                                       ` Stefan Berger
2017-02-28 18:31                                         ` Marc-André Lureau
2017-03-01 12:32                                           ` Stefan Berger
2016-01-28 13:15       ` Daniel P. Berrange
2016-01-28 14:51         ` Stefan Berger
2016-01-20 15:20   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2016-01-20 15:36     ` Stefan Berger
     [not found]     ` <201601201536.u0KFanwG004844@d01av04.pok.ibm.com>
2016-01-20 15:58       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2016-01-20 16:06         ` Stefan Berger
2016-01-20 18:54           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2016-01-20 21:25             ` Stefan Berger
2016-01-21  5:08               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2016-01-21  5:41                 ` Xu, Quan
2016-01-21  9:19                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2016-01-21 12:09                 ` Stefan Berger
2016-01-20 16:15         ` Daniel P. Berrange
2016-01-04 15:23 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v5 2/4] Introduce condition to notify waiters of completed command Stefan Berger
2016-01-04 15:23 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v5 3/4] Introduce condition in TPM backend for notification Stefan Berger
2016-01-04 15:23 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v5 4/4] Add support for VM suspend/resume for TPM TIS Stefan Berger
2016-01-05  1:26 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v5 0/4] Extend TPM support with a QEMU-external TPM Xu, Quan
2016-01-05  3:36   ` Stefan Berger
2016-01-20  1:40 ` Xu, Quan
2016-01-20  9:23   ` Hagen Lauer
2016-01-20  9:41     ` Xu, Quan
2016-01-20 14:58 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2016-01-20 15:23   ` Stefan Berger
     [not found]   ` <201601201523.u0KFNwOH000398@d01av04.pok.ibm.com>
2016-01-20 15:42     ` Daniel P. Berrange
2016-01-20 19:51       ` Stefan Berger
     [not found]       ` <OF1010A111.39918A93-ON00257F40.006CA5ED-85257F40.006D2225@LocalDomain>
2016-01-20 20:16         ` Stefan Berger
2016-01-21 11:40           ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2016-01-21 12:31             ` Stefan Berger
     [not found]             ` <201601211231.u0LCVGCZ021111@d01av01.pok.ibm.com>
2016-01-21 14:53               ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
     [not found]             ` <OF7ED031CA.CDD3196F-ON00257F41.004305BB-85257F41.0044C71A@LocalDomain>
2016-02-01 17:40               ` Stefan Berger

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