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From: Eric Blake <eblake@redhat.com>
To: Wouter Verhelst <w@uter.be>
Cc: "nbd-general@lists.sourceforge.net"
	<nbd-general@lists.sourceforge.net>,
	"qemu-devel@nongnu.org" <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [Nbd] [PATCH 3/1] doc: Propose Structured Replies extension
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2016 12:25:35 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <56FAC89F.7080706@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160329181949.GB12469@grep.be>

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On 03/29/2016 12:19 PM, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 12:07:59PM -0600, Eric Blake wrote:
>> On 03/29/2016 12:03 PM, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
>>> On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 11:45:45AM -0600, Eric Blake wrote:
>>>> Supporting DF merely transfers the burden of collection between server
>>>> and client.  I suspect that there are cases where the server does NOT
>>>> want to support DF (because it would require the server to allocate
>>>> memory to collect the data before sending a single structured read
>>>> reply),
>>>
>>> There are other ways to handle that; e.g., the server could have a
>>> "request too large for non-fragmented read" error message. The spec
>>> should give a minimum size that the server MUST support (which should be
>>> reasonably large), and should state that a server MAY reply to any
>>> request with DF set for a block larger than that minimum, with that
>>> error.
>>
>> How does 64k sound?
> 
> Dunno. It might make sense for this number to be based upon some
> "standard" minimum request size in things like ATA or SCSI if such a
> number exists there, but I don't know enough about either standard to
> answer that question myself.
> 
> If such a number doesn't exist (or nobody who knows speaks up soon
> enough), 64k is certainly good enough, I suppose.

And as mentioned in another email, we may want to propose an independent
extension that allows NBD_OPT_LIST and friends to start advertising the
minimum and preferred sizes of operations on a given export, where the
server can give hard errors if the client requests a read or write not
aligned to the minimum, and where the server must not fail a DF set for
anything smaller than preferred size.

-- 
Eric Blake   eblake redhat com    +1-919-301-3266
Libvirt virtualization library http://libvirt.org


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  reply	other threads:[~2016-03-29 18:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-03-28 13:59 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH] doc: Mention proper use of handle Eric Blake
2016-03-29  3:56 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 2/1] doc: More details on flag negotiation Eric Blake
2016-03-29  3:56 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 3/1] doc: Propose Structured Replies extension Eric Blake
2016-03-29  7:33   ` [Qemu-devel] [Nbd] " Wouter Verhelst
2016-03-29  8:24   ` Alex Bligh
2016-03-29 14:21     ` Eric Blake
2016-03-29 14:37       ` Alex Bligh
2016-03-29 15:12         ` Eric Blake
2016-03-29 16:37           ` Wouter Verhelst
2016-03-29 17:34           ` Alex Bligh
2016-03-29 17:45             ` Eric Blake
2016-03-29 18:03               ` Wouter Verhelst
2016-03-29 18:07                 ` Eric Blake
2016-03-29 18:19                   ` Wouter Verhelst
2016-03-29 18:25                     ` Eric Blake [this message]
2016-03-29 18:09                 ` Alex Bligh
2016-03-29 17:53   ` Wouter Verhelst
2016-03-29 18:23     ` Eric Blake
2016-03-29 18:51       ` Wouter Verhelst
2016-03-29 19:06         ` Wouter Verhelst
2016-03-29 19:39         ` Alex Bligh
2016-03-29 20:00           ` Eric Blake
2016-03-29 20:18             ` Alex Bligh
2016-03-29 20:44             ` Alex Bligh
2016-03-29 21:05               ` Wouter Verhelst
2016-03-29 22:05                 ` Alex Bligh
2016-03-29 22:45                   ` Wouter Verhelst
2016-03-29 22:53                     ` Alex Bligh
2016-03-29  7:11 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH] doc: Mention proper use of handle Wouter Verhelst
2016-03-29 13:59   ` Eric Blake
2016-03-29 23:00 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v2 0/3] NBD Structured Read Eric Blake
2016-03-29 23:00   ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v2 1/3] NBD proto: add "Command flags" section Eric Blake
2016-03-29 23:00   ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v2 2/3] doc: Mention proper use of handle Eric Blake
2016-03-29 23:01   ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v2 3/3] doc: Propose Structured Read extension Eric Blake
2016-03-29 23:29     ` Eric Blake
2016-03-30  6:50     ` Alex Bligh
2016-03-30 17:45       ` Eric Blake
2016-03-30 19:51         ` [Qemu-devel] [Nbd] " Wouter Verhelst
2016-03-30 20:54           ` Eric Blake
2016-03-30 21:26             ` Wouter Verhelst
2016-03-30 22:48         ` [Qemu-devel] " Alex Bligh
2016-03-30 20:44     ` [Qemu-devel] [Nbd] " Wouter Verhelst
2016-03-30  8:09   ` [Qemu-devel] [Nbd] [PATCH v2 0/3] NBD Structured Read Wouter Verhelst

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