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From: Eric Blake <eblake@redhat.com>
To: Alex Bligh <alex@alex.org.uk>
Cc: "nbd-general@lists.sourceforge.net"
	<nbd-general@lists.sourceforge.net>,
	Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com>,
	"qemu-devel@nongnu.org" <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	Pavel Borzenkov <pborzenkov@virtuozzo.com>,
	"Stefan stefanha@redhat. com" <stefanha@redhat.com>,
	Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>, Wouter Verhelst <w@uter.be>,
	"Denis V. Lunev" <den@openvz.org>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [Nbd] [PATCH v2] doc: Add NBD_CMD_BLOCK_STATUS extension
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2016 15:25:03 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5702DBAF.40109@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <F444C56A-3460-472D-8A9C-7A6E9033224E@alex.org.uk>

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On 04/04/2016 03:07 PM, Alex Bligh wrote:
> 
> On 4 Apr 2016, at 21:26, Eric Blake <eblake@redhat.com> wrote:
> 
>> Huh? The current proposal _requires_ these to be separate queries.  You
>> cannot query dirtiness at the same time as allocation, because the value
>> of NBD_CMD_FLAG_DIRTY is distinct between the two queries.
> 
> OK, so you can ask for either (1) or (2), but not both. I see. I misread
> that. I still think Denis's idea of selecting a bitmap to query works better.

I'm still not sure I follow what you are proposing in 'selecting a
bitmap', at least not without also needing to expand the protocol to
allow for a structured command that has more than a fixed-length message
size (currently all commands except NBD_CMD_WRITE) or a self-described
size (NBD_CMD_WRITE).  Would this bitmap id be specified as an integer
(32 bits?) as an arbitrary UTF-8 string? or as something else?  And
since we _already_ documented that querying dirty information requires
out-of-band coordination, why can't the out-of-band communication convey
the bitmap selection, so that the NBD command then just reads the dirty
status of the already-selected bitmap?

It was Paolo's suggestion to document that querying dirty status is only
useful with out-of-band coordination, at which point, why bloat the NBD
protocol with details that are better left to that external
coordination?  Wouter had a valid complaint that v1 was unspecified (it
said that being "dirty" was implementation defined, but gave no other
meaning and a server could use random numbers and still be compliant);
v2 picked up Paolo's wording suggestion against v1 that tries to make it
obvious that being "dirty" is still implementation defined, but that the
definition is whatever it takes for a coordination with out-of-band
information to provide useful results.

-- 
Eric Blake   eblake redhat com    +1-919-301-3266
Libvirt virtualization library http://libvirt.org


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  reply	other threads:[~2016-04-04 21:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 59+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-04-04 16:39 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v2] doc: Add NBD_CMD_BLOCK_STATUS extension Eric Blake
2016-04-04 18:06 ` [Qemu-devel] [Nbd] " Alex Bligh
2016-04-04 19:34   ` Eric Blake
2016-04-04 19:54     ` Denis V. Lunev
2016-04-04 20:03       ` Alex Bligh
2016-04-04 20:08         ` Denis V. Lunev
2016-04-04 20:34           ` Eric Blake
2016-04-04 21:06             ` Denis V. Lunev
2016-04-04 21:12             ` Alex Bligh
2016-04-05 14:15         ` Paolo Bonzini
2016-04-05 15:01           ` Alex Bligh
2016-04-05 15:23             ` Paolo Bonzini
2016-04-05 15:27               ` Alex Bligh
2016-04-05 15:31                 ` Paolo Bonzini
2016-04-04 23:08       ` Wouter Verhelst
2016-04-04 23:32         ` Eric Blake
2016-04-05  7:16           ` Wouter Verhelst
2016-04-05 21:44           ` Wouter Verhelst
2016-04-05  7:13         ` Alex Bligh
2016-04-04 19:58     ` Alex Bligh
2016-04-04 20:04       ` Denis V. Lunev
2016-04-04 20:08         ` Alex Bligh
2016-04-04 20:13           ` Denis V. Lunev
2016-04-04 20:15             ` Alex Bligh
2016-04-04 20:27               ` Denis V. Lunev
2016-04-04 20:45                 ` Eric Blake
2016-04-04 21:04                   ` Denis V. Lunev
2016-04-04 21:12                     ` Alex Bligh
2016-04-04 21:17                     ` Eric Blake
2016-04-04 21:27                       ` Denis V. Lunev
2016-04-04 20:26           ` Eric Blake
2016-04-04 21:07             ` Alex Bligh
2016-04-04 21:25               ` Eric Blake [this message]
2016-04-04 22:06                 ` Alex Bligh
2016-04-04 20:22       ` Eric Blake
2016-04-05 13:38     ` Paolo Bonzini
2016-04-04 22:40 ` Wouter Verhelst
2016-04-04 23:03   ` Eric Blake
2016-04-05 13:41     ` Paolo Bonzini
2016-04-06  5:57     ` Denis V. Lunev
2016-04-06 14:08       ` Eric Blake
2016-04-05  4:05 ` [Qemu-devel] " Kevin Wolf
2016-04-05 13:43   ` Paolo Bonzini
2016-04-07 10:38     ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2016-04-07 16:10       ` Eric Blake
2016-04-07 16:21         ` [Qemu-devel] [Nbd] " Alex Bligh
2016-04-08 11:35         ` [Qemu-devel] " Kevin Wolf
2016-04-09  9:08         ` [Qemu-devel] [Nbd] " Wouter Verhelst
2016-04-13 12:38         ` [Qemu-devel] " Pavel Borzenkov
2016-04-13 14:40           ` Eric Blake
2016-04-07 15:35     ` Pavel Borzenkov
2016-04-07 15:43       ` Paolo Bonzini
2016-04-05  8:51 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2016-04-05  9:24 ` [Qemu-devel] [Nbd] " Markus Pargmann
2016-04-05 13:50   ` Paolo Bonzini
2016-04-11  5:58     ` Markus Pargmann
2016-04-05 14:14   ` Eric Blake
2016-04-05 20:50     ` Wouter Verhelst
2016-04-11  6:07       ` Markus Pargmann

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