From: Eric Blake <eblake@redhat.com>
To: Alex Bligh <alex@alex.org.uk>
Cc: "nbd-general@lists.sourceforge.net"
<nbd-general@lists.sourceforge.net>,
Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com>,
"qemu-devel@nongnu.org" <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
Pavel Borzenkov <pborzenkov@virtuozzo.com>,
"Stefan stefanha@redhat. com" <stefanha@redhat.com>,
Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>, Wouter Verhelst <w@uter.be>,
"Denis V. Lunev" <den@openvz.org>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [Nbd] [PATCH v2] doc: Add NBD_CMD_BLOCK_STATUS extension
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2016 15:25:03 -0600 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <5702DBAF.40109@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <F444C56A-3460-472D-8A9C-7A6E9033224E@alex.org.uk>
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On 04/04/2016 03:07 PM, Alex Bligh wrote:
>
> On 4 Apr 2016, at 21:26, Eric Blake <eblake@redhat.com> wrote:
>
>> Huh? The current proposal _requires_ these to be separate queries. You
>> cannot query dirtiness at the same time as allocation, because the value
>> of NBD_CMD_FLAG_DIRTY is distinct between the two queries.
>
> OK, so you can ask for either (1) or (2), but not both. I see. I misread
> that. I still think Denis's idea of selecting a bitmap to query works better.
I'm still not sure I follow what you are proposing in 'selecting a
bitmap', at least not without also needing to expand the protocol to
allow for a structured command that has more than a fixed-length message
size (currently all commands except NBD_CMD_WRITE) or a self-described
size (NBD_CMD_WRITE). Would this bitmap id be specified as an integer
(32 bits?) as an arbitrary UTF-8 string? or as something else? And
since we _already_ documented that querying dirty information requires
out-of-band coordination, why can't the out-of-band communication convey
the bitmap selection, so that the NBD command then just reads the dirty
status of the already-selected bitmap?
It was Paolo's suggestion to document that querying dirty status is only
useful with out-of-band coordination, at which point, why bloat the NBD
protocol with details that are better left to that external
coordination? Wouter had a valid complaint that v1 was unspecified (it
said that being "dirty" was implementation defined, but gave no other
meaning and a server could use random numbers and still be compliant);
v2 picked up Paolo's wording suggestion against v1 that tries to make it
obvious that being "dirty" is still implementation defined, but that the
definition is whatever it takes for a coordination with out-of-band
information to provide useful results.
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Thread overview: 59+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2016-04-04 16:39 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v2] doc: Add NBD_CMD_BLOCK_STATUS extension Eric Blake
2016-04-04 18:06 ` [Qemu-devel] [Nbd] " Alex Bligh
2016-04-04 19:34 ` Eric Blake
2016-04-04 19:54 ` Denis V. Lunev
2016-04-04 20:03 ` Alex Bligh
2016-04-04 20:08 ` Denis V. Lunev
2016-04-04 20:34 ` Eric Blake
2016-04-04 21:06 ` Denis V. Lunev
2016-04-04 21:12 ` Alex Bligh
2016-04-05 14:15 ` Paolo Bonzini
2016-04-05 15:01 ` Alex Bligh
2016-04-05 15:23 ` Paolo Bonzini
2016-04-05 15:27 ` Alex Bligh
2016-04-05 15:31 ` Paolo Bonzini
2016-04-04 23:08 ` Wouter Verhelst
2016-04-04 23:32 ` Eric Blake
2016-04-05 7:16 ` Wouter Verhelst
2016-04-05 21:44 ` Wouter Verhelst
2016-04-05 7:13 ` Alex Bligh
2016-04-04 19:58 ` Alex Bligh
2016-04-04 20:04 ` Denis V. Lunev
2016-04-04 20:08 ` Alex Bligh
2016-04-04 20:13 ` Denis V. Lunev
2016-04-04 20:15 ` Alex Bligh
2016-04-04 20:27 ` Denis V. Lunev
2016-04-04 20:45 ` Eric Blake
2016-04-04 21:04 ` Denis V. Lunev
2016-04-04 21:12 ` Alex Bligh
2016-04-04 21:17 ` Eric Blake
2016-04-04 21:27 ` Denis V. Lunev
2016-04-04 20:26 ` Eric Blake
2016-04-04 21:07 ` Alex Bligh
2016-04-04 21:25 ` Eric Blake [this message]
2016-04-04 22:06 ` Alex Bligh
2016-04-04 20:22 ` Eric Blake
2016-04-05 13:38 ` Paolo Bonzini
2016-04-04 22:40 ` Wouter Verhelst
2016-04-04 23:03 ` Eric Blake
2016-04-05 13:41 ` Paolo Bonzini
2016-04-06 5:57 ` Denis V. Lunev
2016-04-06 14:08 ` Eric Blake
2016-04-05 4:05 ` [Qemu-devel] " Kevin Wolf
2016-04-05 13:43 ` Paolo Bonzini
2016-04-07 10:38 ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2016-04-07 16:10 ` Eric Blake
2016-04-07 16:21 ` [Qemu-devel] [Nbd] " Alex Bligh
2016-04-08 11:35 ` [Qemu-devel] " Kevin Wolf
2016-04-09 9:08 ` [Qemu-devel] [Nbd] " Wouter Verhelst
2016-04-13 12:38 ` [Qemu-devel] " Pavel Borzenkov
2016-04-13 14:40 ` Eric Blake
2016-04-07 15:35 ` Pavel Borzenkov
2016-04-07 15:43 ` Paolo Bonzini
2016-04-05 8:51 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2016-04-05 9:24 ` [Qemu-devel] [Nbd] " Markus Pargmann
2016-04-05 13:50 ` Paolo Bonzini
2016-04-11 5:58 ` Markus Pargmann
2016-04-05 14:14 ` Eric Blake
2016-04-05 20:50 ` Wouter Verhelst
2016-04-11 6:07 ` Markus Pargmann
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