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From: Sergey Fedorov <serge.fdrv@gmail.com>
To: Pranith Kumar <bobby.prani@gmail.com>,
	Richard Henderson <rth@twiddle.net>,
	"open list:All patches CC here" <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>
Cc: alex.bennee@linaro.org
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [RFC v3 PATCH 01/14] Introduce TCGOpcode for memory barrier
Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2016 00:21:58 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <57685E76.5040805@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160618040343.19517-2-bobby.prani@gmail.com>

On 18/06/16 07:03, Pranith Kumar wrote:
> diff --git a/tcg/tcg.h b/tcg/tcg.h
> index db6a062..36feca9 100644
> --- a/tcg/tcg.h
> +++ b/tcg/tcg.h
> @@ -408,6 +408,20 @@ static inline intptr_t QEMU_ARTIFICIAL GET_TCGV_PTR(TCGv_ptr t)
>  #define TCG_CALL_DUMMY_TCGV     MAKE_TCGV_I32(-1)
>  #define TCG_CALL_DUMMY_ARG      ((TCGArg)(-1))
>  
> +typedef enum {
> +    TCG_MO_LD_LD    = 1,
> +    TCG_MO_ST_LD    = 2,
> +    TCG_MO_LD_ST    = 4,
> +    TCG_MO_ST_ST    = 8,
> +    TCG_MO_ALL      = 0xF, // OR of all above

So TCG_MO_ALL specifies a so called "full" memory barrier?

> +} TCGOrder;
> +
> +typedef enum {
> +    TCG_BAR_ACQ     = 32,
> +    TCG_BAR_REL     = 64,

I'm convinced that the only practical way to represent a standalone
acquire memory barrier is to order all previous loads with all
subsequent loads and stores. Similarly, a standalone release memory
barrier would order all previous loads and stores with all subsequent
stores. [1]

On the other hand, acquire or release semantic associated with a memory
operation itself can be directly mapped into e.g. AArch64's Load-Acquire
(LDAR) and Store-Release (STLR) instructions. A standalone barrier
adjacent to a memory operation shouldn't be mapped this way because it
should provide more strict guarantees than e.g. AArch64 instructions
mentioned above.

Therefore, I advocate for clear distinction between standalone memory
barriers and implicit memory ordering semantics associated with memory
operations themselves.

[1] http://preshing.com/20130922/acquire-and-release-fences/

> +    TCG_BAR_SC      = 128,

How's that different from TCG_MO_ALL?

> +} TCGBar;
> +
>  /* Conditions.  Note that these are laid out for easy manipulation by
>     the functions below:
>       bit 0 is used for inverting;

Kind regards,
Sergey

  reply	other threads:[~2016-06-20 21:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 56+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20160618040343.19517-1-bobby.prani@gmail.com>
2016-06-18  4:03 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC v3 PATCH 01/14] Introduce TCGOpcode for memory barrier Pranith Kumar
2016-06-20 21:21   ` Sergey Fedorov [this message]
2016-06-21 14:52     ` Pranith Kumar
2016-06-21 15:09       ` Alex Bennée
2016-06-21 18:06         ` Pranith Kumar
2016-06-22 15:50       ` Sergey Fedorov
2016-06-21  7:30   ` Paolo Bonzini
2016-06-21 18:04   ` Alex Bennée
2016-06-21 18:09     ` Pranith Kumar
2016-06-21 18:23       ` Alex Bennée
2016-06-21 19:40         ` Richard Henderson
2016-06-18  4:03 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC v3 PATCH 02/14] tcg/i386: Add support for fence Pranith Kumar
2016-06-21  7:24   ` Paolo Bonzini
2016-06-22 16:25   ` Alex Bennée
2016-06-22 16:49     ` Richard Henderson
2016-06-22 18:18       ` Alex Bennée
2016-06-18  4:03 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC v3 PATCH 03/14] tcg/aarch64: " Pranith Kumar
2016-06-23 16:18   ` Alex Bennée
2016-06-23 16:50     ` Richard Henderson
2016-06-23 19:58       ` Alex Bennée
2016-06-18  4:03 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC v3 PATCH 04/14] tcg/arm: " Pranith Kumar
2016-06-23 16:30   ` Alex Bennée
2016-06-23 16:49     ` Richard Henderson
2016-06-18  4:03 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC v3 PATCH 05/14] tcg/ia64: " Pranith Kumar
2016-06-18  4:03 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC v3 PATCH 06/14] tcg/mips: " Pranith Kumar
2016-06-18  4:03 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC v3 PATCH 07/14] tcg/ppc: " Pranith Kumar
2016-06-22 19:50   ` Sergey Fedorov
2016-06-22 20:21     ` Richard Henderson
2016-06-22 20:27       ` Sergey Fedorov
2016-06-23 14:42     ` Sergey Fedorov
2016-06-18  4:03 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC v3 PATCH 08/14] tcg/s390: " Pranith Kumar
2016-06-21  7:26   ` Paolo Bonzini
2016-06-18  4:03 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC v3 PATCH 09/14] tcg/sparc: " Pranith Kumar
2016-06-22 19:56   ` Sergey Fedorov
2016-06-18  4:03 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC v3 PATCH 10/14] tcg/tci: " Pranith Kumar
2016-06-22 19:57   ` Sergey Fedorov
2016-06-22 20:25     ` Richard Henderson
2016-06-22 20:28       ` Sergey Fedorov
2016-06-18  4:03 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC v3 PATCH 11/14] target-arm: Generate fences in ARMv7 frontend Pranith Kumar
2016-06-18  4:03 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC v3 PATCH 12/14] target-alpha: Generate fence op Pranith Kumar
2016-06-18  4:03 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC v3 PATCH 13/14] aarch64: Generate fences for aarch64 Pranith Kumar
2016-06-24 16:17   ` Alex Bennée
2016-06-18  4:03 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC v3 PATCH 14/14] target-i386: Generate fences for x86 Pranith Kumar
2016-06-18  5:48   ` Richard Henderson
2016-06-20 15:05     ` Pranith Kumar
2016-06-21  7:28   ` Paolo Bonzini
2016-06-21 15:57     ` Richard Henderson
2016-06-21 16:12       ` Paolo Bonzini
2016-06-21 16:23         ` Richard Henderson
2016-06-21 16:33           ` Paolo Bonzini
2016-06-21 17:28     ` Pranith Kumar
2016-06-21 17:54       ` Peter Maydell
2016-06-21 18:03         ` Pranith Kumar
2016-06-21 18:25           ` Alex Bennée
2016-06-22 11:18           ` Sergey Fedorov
2016-06-18  4:08 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC v3 PATCH 00/14] tcg: Add fence gen support Pranith Kumar

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