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From: Jike Song <jike.song@intel.com>
To: Alex Williamson <alex.williamson@redhat.com>
Cc: Kirti Wankhede <kwankhede@nvidia.com>,
	kraxel@redhat.com, Dong Jia <bjsdjshi@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	kevin.tian@intel.com, cjia@nvidia.com, kvm@vger.kernel.org,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, pbonzini@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v7 2/4] vfio: VFIO driver for mediated devices
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2016 13:02:39 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <57E2146F.9070400@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160920225152.5f96b897@t450s.home>

On 09/21/2016 12:51 PM, Alex Williamson wrote:
> On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 11:19:17 +0800
> Jike Song <jike.song@intel.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 09/21/2016 12:24 AM, Alex Williamson wrote:
>>> On Tue, 20 Sep 2016 10:50:47 +0800
>>> Jike Song <jike.song@intel.com> wrote:  
>>
>> /* trim the quotations */
>>
>>>> Even performing a lightweight sanity check, would require vfio-mdev
>>>> to be able to decode the ppos into a particular region, that means
>>>> information of all regions should be stored in the framework. I guess
>>>> it is not your preferred way :)  
>>>
>>> There's certainly a trade-off there, we don't support dynamic regions,
>>> the user expects them to be stable and the mdev-core code can expect
>>> that also. It might simplify the vendor drivers slightly if the core
>>> could perform such a basic sanity test, but the cost to do so would be
>>> that the core needs to have an understanding of the region layout of
>>> the device.  
>>
>> I agree with why the requirement is, but I am suspicious that,
>> if we assume the regions are stable, try to encode/decode that within
>> the mdev-core framework - instead of vendor drivers - that is because
>> we want mdev to be API compatible with vfio-pci?
>>
>> Being API compatible with vfio-pci is (IMHO) the most beautiful thing
>> in current mdev design, but is it necessary to make it mandatory? 
>> How about letting the underlining vendor drivers to decide whether
>> it is API compatible with vfio-pci, or will have a different set of
>> userspace API?
> 
> Are you assuming that I'm suggesting using VFIO_PCI_OFFSET_TO_INDEX in
> the mdev core?  We've been through that, I've rejected it, that's not
> at all what I'm describing.  The vfio bus driver defines the region
> layout, but once defined it is fixed for a given device instance.  A
> user does not need to call ioctl(VFIO_DEVICE_GET_REGION_INFO) prior to
> every region access to make sure the region offsets haven't changed
> dynamically.  If it's fixed to the user than it's also fixed to the
> mdev core for a given device instance, so nothing prevents the core
> code from doing its own enumeration of the region offsets and sizes and
> caching them into data structures.  That has nothing whatsoever to do
> with vfio-pci and makes no assumptions about the layout of regions
> within device fd. Thanks,
> 

I misunderstood that previously and I understand the whole idea now.
Thanks for the kind explanation! :)

--
Thanks,
Jike

  reply	other threads:[~2016-09-21  5:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 95+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-08-25  3:53 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v7 0/4] Add Mediated device support Kirti Wankhede
2016-08-25  3:53 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v7 1/4] vfio: Mediated device Core driver Kirti Wankhede
2016-09-08  8:09   ` Jike Song
2016-09-08  9:38     ` Neo Jia
2016-09-09  6:26       ` Jike Song
2016-09-09 17:48     ` Kirti Wankhede
2016-09-09 18:42       ` Alex Williamson
2016-09-09 19:55         ` Kirti Wankhede
2016-09-12  5:10           ` Jike Song
2016-09-12  7:49             ` Kirti Wankhede
2016-09-12 15:53               ` Alex Williamson
2016-09-19  7:08                 ` Jike Song
2016-09-19 17:29                 ` Kirti Wankhede
2016-09-19 18:11                   ` Alex Williamson
2016-09-19 20:09                     ` Kirti Wankhede
2016-09-19 20:59                       ` Alex Williamson
2016-09-20 12:48   ` Jike Song
2016-08-25  3:53 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v7 2/4] vfio: VFIO driver for mediated devices Kirti Wankhede
2016-08-25  9:22   ` Dong Jia
2016-08-26 14:13     ` Kirti Wankhede
2016-09-08  2:38       ` Jike Song
2016-09-19 18:22       ` Kirti Wankhede
2016-09-19 18:36         ` Alex Williamson
2016-09-19 19:13           ` Kirti Wankhede
2016-09-19 20:03             ` Alex Williamson
2016-09-20  2:50               ` Jike Song
2016-09-20 16:24                 ` Alex Williamson
2016-09-21  3:19                   ` Jike Song
2016-09-21  4:51                     ` Alex Williamson
2016-09-21  5:02                       ` Jike Song [this message]
2016-09-08  2:45     ` Jike Song
2016-09-13  2:35       ` Jike Song
2016-09-20  5:48         ` Dong Jia Shi
2016-09-20  6:37           ` Jike Song
2016-09-20 12:53   ` Jike Song
2016-08-25  3:53 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v7 3/4] vfio iommu: Add support " Kirti Wankhede
2016-08-25  7:29   ` Dong Jia
2016-08-26 13:50     ` Kirti Wankhede
2016-09-29  2:17   ` Jike Song
2016-09-29 15:06     ` Kirti Wankhede
2016-09-30  2:58       ` Jike Song
2016-09-30  3:10         ` Jike Song
2016-09-30 11:44           ` Kirti Wankhede
2016-10-08  7:09             ` Jike Song
2016-08-25  3:53 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v7 4/4] docs: Add Documentation for Mediated devices Kirti Wankhede
2016-09-03 16:40   ` Kirti Wankhede
2016-08-30 16:16 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v7 0/4] Add Mediated device support Alex Williamson
2016-08-31  6:12   ` Tian, Kevin
2016-08-31  7:04     ` Jike Song
2016-08-31 15:48       ` Alex Williamson
2016-09-01  4:09         ` Tian, Kevin
2016-09-01  4:10         ` Tian, Kevin
2016-09-01 18:22         ` Kirti Wankhede
2016-09-01 20:01           ` Alex Williamson
2016-09-02  6:17             ` Kirti Wankhede
2016-09-01 16:47     ` Michal Privoznik
2016-09-01 16:59       ` Alex Williamson
2016-09-02  4:48         ` Michal Privoznik
2016-09-02  5:21           ` Kirti Wankhede
2016-09-02 10:05             ` Paolo Bonzini
2016-09-02 17:15               ` Kirti Wankhede
2016-09-02 17:25                 ` Paolo Bonzini
2016-09-02 18:33                   ` Kirti Wankhede
2016-09-02 20:29                     ` [Qemu-devel] [libvirt] " John Ferlan
2016-09-03 16:31                       ` Kirti Wankhede
2016-09-06 17:54                         ` Alex Williamson
2016-09-02 21:48                     ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2016-09-03 11:56                       ` [Qemu-devel] [libvirt] " John Ferlan
2016-09-03 13:07                         ` Paolo Bonzini
2016-09-03 17:47                           ` Kirti Wankhede
2016-09-03 16:34                       ` [Qemu-devel] " Kirti Wankhede
2016-09-06 17:40                         ` Alex Williamson
2016-09-06 19:35                           ` Kirti Wankhede
2016-09-06 21:28                             ` Alex Williamson
2016-09-07  8:22                               ` Tian, Kevin
2016-09-07 16:00                                 ` Alex Williamson
2016-09-07 16:15                               ` Kirti Wankhede
2016-09-07 16:44                                 ` Alex Williamson
2016-09-07 18:06                                   ` Kirti Wankhede
2016-09-07 22:13                                     ` Alex Williamson
2016-09-08 18:48                                       ` Kirti Wankhede
2016-09-08 20:51                                         ` Alex Williamson
2016-09-07 18:17                                   ` Neo Jia
2016-09-07 18:27                                     ` Daniel P. Berrange
2016-09-07 18:32                                       ` Neo Jia
2016-09-07  6:48                           ` Tian, Kevin
2016-09-02 20:19               ` [Qemu-devel] [libvirt] " John Ferlan
2016-09-02 21:44                 ` Paolo Bonzini
2016-09-02 23:57                   ` Laine Stump
2016-09-03 16:49                     ` Kirti Wankhede
2016-09-05  7:52                     ` Paolo Bonzini
2016-09-03 11:57                   ` John Ferlan
2016-09-05  7:54                     ` Paolo Bonzini
2016-09-02 17:55         ` Laine Stump
2016-09-02 19:15           ` Alex Williamson

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