[Qemu-devel] [PATCH RFC] migration: make sure to run iterate precopy during the bulk stage

[Qemu-devel] [PATCH RFC] migration: make sure to run iterate precopy during the bulk stage

[Quan Xu]

 From 8dbf7370e7ea1caab0b769d0d4dcdd072d14d421 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
From: Quan Xu <quan.xu0@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2018 21:33:14 +0800
Subject: [PATCH RFC] migration: make sure to run iterate precopy during the
  bulk stage

Since the bulk stage assumes in (migration_bitmap_find_dirty) that every
page is dirty, return a rough total ram as pending size to make sure that
migration thread continues to run iterate precopy during the bulk stage.

Otherwise the downtime grows unpredictably, as migration thread needs to
send both the rest of pages and dirty pages during complete precopy.

Signed-off-by: Quan Xu <quan.xu0@gmail.com>
---
  migration/ram.c | 3 ++-
  1 file changed, 2 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-)

diff --git a/migration/ram.c b/migration/ram.c
index 79c8942..cfa304c 100644
--- a/migration/ram.c
+++ b/migration/ram.c
@@ -3308,7 +3308,8 @@ static void ram_save_pending(QEMUFile *f, void 
*opaque, uint64_t max_size,
          /* We can do postcopy, and all the data is postcopiable */
          *res_compatible += remaining_size;
      } else {
-        *res_precopy_only += remaining_size;
+        *res_precopy_only += (rs->ram_bulk_stage ?
+                              ram_bytes_total() : remaining_size);
      }
  }

--
1.8.3.1

Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH RFC] migration: make sure to run iterate precopy during the bulk stage

[Dr. David Alan Gilbert]

* Quan Xu (quan.xu0@gmail.com) wrote:
> From 8dbf7370e7ea1caab0b769d0d4dcdd072d14d421 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
> From: Quan Xu <quan.xu0@gmail.com>
> Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2018 21:33:14 +0800
> Subject: [PATCH RFC] migration: make sure to run iterate precopy during the
>  bulk stage
> 
> Since the bulk stage assumes in (migration_bitmap_find_dirty) that every
> page is dirty, return a rough total ram as pending size to make sure that
> migration thread continues to run iterate precopy during the bulk stage.
> 
> Otherwise the downtime grows unpredictably, as migration thread needs to
> send both the rest of pages and dirty pages during complete precopy.
> 
> Signed-off-by: Quan Xu <quan.xu0@gmail.com>

Hi,
  Can you explain a bit more about the problem you're seeing?
I think you're saying it's exiting the iteration near the end of
the bulk stage, before it's done the first sync?

> ---
>  migration/ram.c | 3 ++-
>  1 file changed, 2 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-)
> 
> diff --git a/migration/ram.c b/migration/ram.c
> index 79c8942..cfa304c 100644
> --- a/migration/ram.c
> +++ b/migration/ram.c
> @@ -3308,7 +3308,8 @@ static void ram_save_pending(QEMUFile *f, void
> *opaque, uint64_t max_size,
>          /* We can do postcopy, and all the data is postcopiable */
>          *res_compatible += remaining_size;
>      } else {
> -        *res_precopy_only += remaining_size;
> +        *res_precopy_only += (rs->ram_bulk_stage ?
> +                              ram_bytes_total() : remaining_size);

So that's assuming that the whole of RAM is dirty, even if we're
near the end of the bulk stage?

Dave

>      }
>  }
> 
> --
> 1.8.3.1
> 
> 
> 
--
Dr. David Alan Gilbert / dgilbert@redhat.com / Manchester, UK

Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH RFC] migration: make sure to run iterate precopy during the bulk stage

[Quan Xu]

on 2018/9/4 17:09, Dr. David Alan Gilbert wrote:
> * Quan Xu (quan.xu0@gmail.com) wrote:
>>  From 8dbf7370e7ea1caab0b769d0d4dcdd072d14d421 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
>> From: Quan Xu <quan.xu0@gmail.com>
>> Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2018 21:33:14 +0800
>> Subject: [PATCH RFC] migration: make sure to run iterate precopy during the
>>   bulk stage
>>
>> Since the bulk stage assumes in (migration_bitmap_find_dirty) that every
>> page is dirty, return a rough total ram as pending size to make sure that
>> migration thread continues to run iterate precopy during the bulk stage.
>>
>> Otherwise the downtime grows unpredictably, as migration thread needs to
>> send both the rest of pages and dirty pages during complete precopy.
>>
>> Signed-off-by: Quan Xu <quan.xu0@gmail.com>
> 
> Hi,
>    Can you explain a bit more about the problem you're seeing?
> I think you're saying it's exiting the iteration near the end of
> the bulk stage, before it's done the first sync?
>

Dr.Gilbert,

yes,
a bit more background, I run migration in a slow network throughput 
(about ~500mbps).
as the slow network throughput, there is more 'break' during iterate 
precopy (as the MAX_WAIT).
if it runs in a higher network throughput, the downtime would be still 
within an acceptable range.

second, I patch the current code to support live migraion/hotplug  with 
VFIO for some 'special ability'
​hardware device.. I break the ram loop and start to scan from the first 
block to the last block during complete precopy. if migration is still 
in the bulk stage, the downtime grows unpredictably. I hope this would 
not confuse you.


>> ---
>>   migration/ram.c | 3 ++-
>>   1 file changed, 2 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-)
>>
>> diff --git a/migration/ram.c b/migration/ram.c
>> index 79c8942..cfa304c 100644
>> --- a/migration/ram.c
>> +++ b/migration/ram.c
>> @@ -3308,7 +3308,8 @@ static void ram_save_pending(QEMUFile *f, void
>> *opaque, uint64_t max_size,
>>           /* We can do postcopy, and all the data is postcopiable */
>>           *res_compatible += remaining_size;
>>       } else {
>> -        *res_precopy_only += remaining_size;
>> +        *res_precopy_only += (rs->ram_bulk_stage ?
>> +                              ram_bytes_total() : remaining_size);
> 
> So that's assuming that the whole of RAM is dirty, even if we're
> near the end of the bulk stage?



I understand your concern. there is maybe an extra iteration. I also 
wanted to fix as your suggestion. however, this would be an overhead to
maintain another count.


Quan

> 
> Dave
> 
>>       }
>>   }
>>
>> --
>> 1.8.3.1
>>
>>
>>
> --
> Dr. David Alan Gilbert / dgilbert@redhat.com / Manchester, UK
> 

Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH RFC] migration: make sure to run iterate precopy during the bulk stage

[Juan Quintela]

Quan Xu <quan.xu0@gmail.com> wrote:
> From 8dbf7370e7ea1caab0b769d0d4dcdd072d14d421 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
> From: Quan Xu <quan.xu0@gmail.com>
> Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2018 21:33:14 +0800
> Subject: [PATCH RFC] migration: make sure to run iterate precopy during the
>  bulk stage
>
> Since the bulk stage assumes in (migration_bitmap_find_dirty) that every
> page is dirty, return a rough total ram as pending size to make sure that
> migration thread continues to run iterate precopy during the bulk stage.
>
> Otherwise the downtime grows unpredictably, as migration thread needs to
> send both the rest of pages and dirty pages during complete precopy.
>
> Signed-off-by: Quan Xu <quan.xu0@gmail.com>
> ---
>  migration/ram.c | 3 ++-
>  1 file changed, 2 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-)
>
> diff --git a/migration/ram.c b/migration/ram.c
> index 79c8942..cfa304c 100644
> --- a/migration/ram.c
> +++ b/migration/ram.c
> @@ -3308,7 +3308,8 @@ static void ram_save_pending(QEMUFile *f, void
> *opaque, uint64_t max_size,
>          /* We can do postcopy, and all the data is postcopiable */
>          *res_compatible += remaining_size;
>      } else {
> -        *res_precopy_only += remaining_size;
> +        *res_precopy_only += (rs->ram_bulk_stage ?
> +                              ram_bytes_total() : remaining_size);
>      }
>  }

Hi

I don't oppose the change.
But what I don't understand is _why_ it is needed (or to say it
otherwise, how it worked until now).   I was wondering about the opposit
direction, and just initialize the number of dirty pages at the
beggining of the loop and then let decrease it for each processed page.

I don't remember either how big was the speedud of not walking the
bitmap on the 1st stage to start with.

Later, Juan.

Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH RFC] migration: make sure to run iterate precopy during the bulk stage

[Quan Xu]

on 2018/9/4 17:12, Juan Quintela wrote:
> Quan Xu <quan.xu0@gmail.com> wrote:
>>  From 8dbf7370e7ea1caab0b769d0d4dcdd072d14d421 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
>> From: Quan Xu <quan.xu0@gmail.com>
>> Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2018 21:33:14 +0800
>> Subject: [PATCH RFC] migration: make sure to run iterate precopy during the
>>   bulk stage
>>
>> Since the bulk stage assumes in (migration_bitmap_find_dirty) that every
>> page is dirty, return a rough total ram as pending size to make sure that
>> migration thread continues to run iterate precopy during the bulk stage.
>>
>> Otherwise the downtime grows unpredictably, as migration thread needs to
>> send both the rest of pages and dirty pages during complete precopy.
>>
>> Signed-off-by: Quan Xu <quan.xu0@gmail.com>
>> ---
>>   migration/ram.c | 3 ++-
>>   1 file changed, 2 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-)
>>
>> diff --git a/migration/ram.c b/migration/ram.c
>> index 79c8942..cfa304c 100644
>> --- a/migration/ram.c
>> +++ b/migration/ram.c
>> @@ -3308,7 +3308,8 @@ static void ram_save_pending(QEMUFile *f, void
>> *opaque, uint64_t max_size,
>>           /* We can do postcopy, and all the data is postcopiable */
>>           *res_compatible += remaining_size;
>>       } else {
>> -        *res_precopy_only += remaining_size;
>> +        *res_precopy_only += (rs->ram_bulk_stage ?
>> +                              ram_bytes_total() : remaining_size);
>>       }
>>   }
> 
> Hi
> 
> I don't oppose the change.
> But what I don't understand is _why_ it is needed (or to say it
> otherwise, how it worked until now). 

I run migration in a slow network throughput (about ~500mbps).
​ in my opion,  as the slow network throughput, there is more 'break' 
during iterate precopy (as the MAX_WAIT).
​as said in patch description, even to send both the rest pages and 
dirty pages, if in a higher network throughput,
​the downtime would look still within an acceptable range.



>  I was wondering about the opposit
> direction, and just initialize the number of dirty pages at the
> beggining of the loop and then let decrease it for each processed page.
>

I understand your concern. I also wanted to fix as your suggestion. 
however, to me, this would be an overhead to ​​maintain another count 
during migration.


Quan


> I don't remember either how big was the speedud of not walking the
> bitmap on the 1st stage to start with.
> 
> Later, Juan.
>