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From: Robin Voetter <robin@streamhpc.com>
To: Alex Williamson <alex.williamson@redhat.com>
Cc: mst@redhat.com, marcel.apfelbaum@gmail.com,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, clg@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v2 0/4] vfio/pci: Atomic Ops completer support
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2023 10:15:23 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5aca924f-ca01-a3b4-41fc-e4896f297f6b@streamhpc.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20230531162446.2bc9a26c.alex.williamson@redhat.com>



On 6/1/23 00:24, Alex Williamson wrote:
> On Wed, 31 May 2023 23:55:41 +0200
> Robin Voetter <robin@streamhpc.com> wrote:
>> Something that I have been thinking about, are there any implications
>> involved with enabling this feature automatically with no possibility of
>> turning it off? I have no use case for that, though, and I cant really
>> think of a reason other than preventing the guest from finding out
>> hardware details about the host.
> 
> Not sure I follow, are you suggesting that Atomic Ops completion
> support is proactively enabled in the VM to match the host, regardless
> of attached assigned devices?  An obvious problem there is migration.
> If I start a VM on a host with Atomic Ops support and want to migrate
> to a host without Atomic Ops support, config space of the root ports is
> now different and the migration fails.  QEMU would also require
> elevated privileges to read config space to determine the host support,
> and then what does it do if only some of the PCIe hierarchy supports
> Atomic Ops.
> 
> Policy decisions like that are generally left to management tools, so
> there would always be a means to enable or disable the feature.  In
> fact, that's specifically why I test that the Atomic Op completer bits
> are unset in the root port before changing them so that this automatic
> enablement could live alongside a command line option to statically
> enable some bits.
> 
> That does however remind me that it is often good with these sorts of
> "clever" automatic features to have an opt-out, so I'll likely add an
> x-no-rp-atomics device option in the next version to provide that.

Yes, something like that that is exactly what I was thinking about.

Thanks,

Robin Voetter


  parent reply	other threads:[~2023-06-01  8:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-05-26 23:15 [RFC PATCH v2 0/4] vfio/pci: Atomic Ops completer support Alex Williamson
2023-05-26 23:15 ` [RFC PATCH v2 1/4] linux-headers: Update for vfio capability reporting AtomicOps Alex Williamson
2023-05-30 13:19   ` Cédric Le Goater
2023-05-26 23:15 ` [RFC PATCH v2 2/4] vfio: Implement a common device info helper Alex Williamson
2023-05-31 10:18   ` Robin Voetter
2023-05-26 23:15 ` [RFC PATCH v2 3/4] pcie: Add a PCIe capability version helper Alex Williamson
2023-05-30 12:30   ` Cédric Le Goater
2023-05-31 22:02   ` Robin Voetter
2023-05-31 22:19     ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2023-05-26 23:15 ` [RFC PATCH v2 4/4] vfio/pci: Enable AtomicOps completers on root ports Alex Williamson
2023-05-30 13:36   ` Cédric Le Goater
2023-05-31 22:03   ` Robin Voetter
2023-05-31 22:28   ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2023-05-31 21:55 ` [RFC PATCH v2 0/4] vfio/pci: Atomic Ops completer support Robin Voetter
2023-05-31 22:24   ` Alex Williamson
2023-05-31 22:29     ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2023-06-02 14:02       ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2023-06-01  8:15     ` Robin Voetter [this message]
2023-05-31 22:31 ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé

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