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From: Ira Weiny <ira.weiny@intel.com>
To: Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>, fan <nifan.cxl@gmail.com>
Cc: <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>, <jonathan.cameron@huawei.com>,
	<linux-cxl@vger.kernel.org>, <gregory.price@memverge.com>,
	<ira.weiny@intel.com>, <dan.j.williams@intel.com>,
	<a.manzanares@samsung.com>, <dave@stgolabs.net>,
	<nmtadam.samsung@gmail.com>,  <jim.harris@samsung.com>,
	<Jorgen.Hansen@wdc.com>, <wj28.lee@gmail.com>,
	"Fan Ni" <fan.ni@samsung.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 09/13] hw/cxl/events: Add qmp interfaces to add/release dynamic capacity extents
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2024 10:30:51 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <662a934b2757c_fa7d3294fc@iweiny-mobl.notmuch> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87plue9en1.fsf@pond.sub.org>

Markus Armbruster wrote:
> fan <nifan.cxl@gmail.com> writes:
> 
> > On Wed, Apr 24, 2024 at 03:09:52PM +0200, Markus Armbruster wrote:
> >> nifan.cxl@gmail.com writes:
> >> 
> >> > From: Fan Ni <fan.ni@samsung.com>
> >> >
> >> > Since fabric manager emulation is not supported yet, the change implements
> >> > the functions to add/release dynamic capacity extents as QMP interfaces.
> >> 
> >> Will fabric manager emulation obsolete these commands?
> >
> > If in the future, fabric manager emulation supports commands for dynamic capacity
> > extent add/release, it is possible we do not need the commands.
> > But it seems not to happen soon, we need the qmp commands for the
> > end-to-end test with kernel DCD support.
> 
> I asked because if the commands are temporary testing aids, they should
> probably be declared unstable.  Even if they are permanent testing aids,
> unstable might be the right choice.  This is for the CXL maintainers to
> decide.
> 
> What does "unstable" mean?  docs/devel/qapi-code-gen.rst: "Interfaces so
> marked may be withdrawn or changed incompatibly in future releases."
> 
> Management applications need stable interfaces.  Libvirt developers
> generally refuse to touch anything in QMP that's declared unstable.
> 
> Human users and their ad hoc scripts appreciate stability, but they
> don't need it nearly as much as management applications do.
> 
> A stability promise increases the maintenance burden.  By how much is
> unclear.  In other words, by promising stability, the maintainers take
> on risk.  Are the CXL maintainers happy to accept the risk here?
> 

Ah...  All great points.

Outside of CXL development I don't think there is a strong need for them
to be stable.  I would like to see more than ad hoc scripts use them
though.  So I don't think they are going to be changed without some
thought though.

Ira

[snip]


  reply	other threads:[~2024-04-25 17:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 59+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-03-04 19:33 [PATCH v5 00/13] Enabling DCD emulation support in Qemu nifan.cxl
2024-03-04 19:33 ` [PATCH v5 01/13] hw/cxl/cxl-mailbox-utils: Add dc_event_log_size field to output payload of identify memory device command nifan.cxl
2024-03-06 15:07   ` Jonathan Cameron via
2024-03-04 19:33 ` [PATCH v5 02/13] hw/cxl/cxl-mailbox-utils: Add dynamic capacity region representative and mailbox command support nifan.cxl
2024-03-06 15:24   ` Jonathan Cameron via
2024-03-04 19:33 ` [PATCH v5 03/13] include/hw/cxl/cxl_device: Rename mem_size as static_mem_size for type3 memory devices nifan.cxl
2024-03-06 15:39   ` Jonathan Cameron via
2024-03-04 19:33 ` [PATCH v5 04/13] hw/mem/cxl_type3: Add support to create DC regions to " nifan.cxl
2024-03-06 15:48   ` Jonathan Cameron via
2024-03-04 19:34 ` [PATCH v5 05/13] hw/mem/cxl-type3: Refactor ct3_build_cdat_entries_for_mr to take mr size insead of mr as argument nifan.cxl
2024-03-06 16:02   ` Jonathan Cameron via
2024-03-06 16:03   ` Jonathan Cameron via
2024-03-04 19:34 ` [PATCH v5 06/13] hw/mem/cxl_type3: Add host backend and address space handling for DC regions nifan.cxl
2024-03-06 16:28   ` Jonathan Cameron via
2024-03-06 19:14     ` fan
2024-03-07 12:16       ` Jonathan Cameron via
2024-03-07 23:34         ` fan
2024-03-14 20:43     ` fan
2024-03-04 19:34 ` [PATCH v5 07/13] hw/mem/cxl_type3: Add DC extent list representative and get DC extent list mailbox support nifan.cxl
2024-03-06 16:37   ` Jonathan Cameron via
2024-03-04 19:34 ` [PATCH v5 08/13] hw/cxl/cxl-mailbox-utils: Add mailbox commands to support add/release dynamic capacity response nifan.cxl
2024-03-06 17:28   ` Jonathan Cameron via
2024-03-06 21:39     ` fan
2024-03-07 12:20       ` Jonathan Cameron via
2024-03-06 22:34     ` fan
2024-03-07 12:30       ` Jonathan Cameron via
2024-03-04 19:34 ` [PATCH v5 09/13] hw/cxl/events: Add qmp interfaces to add/release dynamic capacity extents nifan.cxl
2024-03-06 17:48   ` Jonathan Cameron via
2024-03-06 23:15     ` fan
2024-03-07 12:45       ` Jonathan Cameron via
2024-03-09  4:35         ` fan
2024-03-12 12:37           ` Jonathan Cameron via
2024-03-12 16:27             ` fan
2024-03-06 23:36     ` fan
2024-03-07 12:47       ` Jonathan Cameron via
2024-04-24 13:09   ` Markus Armbruster
2024-04-24 17:10     ` fan
2024-04-24 17:26       ` Markus Armbruster
2024-04-24 17:44         ` fan
2024-04-24 17:33     ` Ira Weiny
2024-04-26 15:55       ` Jonathan Cameron via
2024-04-26 16:22         ` Gregory Price
2024-04-24 17:39     ` fan
2024-04-25  5:48       ` Markus Armbruster
2024-04-25 17:30         ` Ira Weiny [this message]
2024-04-26 16:00           ` Jonathan Cameron via
2024-03-04 19:34 ` [PATCH v5 10/13] hw/mem/cxl_type3: Add dpa range validation for accesses to DC regions nifan.cxl
2024-03-06 17:50   ` Jonathan Cameron via
2024-03-04 19:34 ` [PATCH v5 11/13] hw/cxl/cxl-mailbox-utils: Add partial and superset extent release mailbox support nifan.cxl
2024-03-06 18:09   ` Jonathan Cameron via
2024-03-04 19:34 ` [PATCH v5 12/13] hw/mem/cxl_type3: Allow to release partial extent and extent superset in QMP interface nifan.cxl
2024-03-06 18:14   ` Jonathan Cameron via
2024-03-04 19:34 ` [PATCH v5 13/13] qapi/cxl.json: Add QMP interfaces to print out accepted and pending DC extents nifan.cxl
2024-03-05 16:09   ` Jonathan Cameron via
2024-03-05 16:15     ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2024-03-05 17:09       ` fan
2024-03-05 17:14         ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2024-04-24 13:12           ` Markus Armbruster
2024-04-24 17:12             ` fan

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