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From: Paul Durrant <xadimgnik@gmail.com>
To: David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>, qemu-devel@nongnu.org
Cc: "Kevin Wolf" <kwolf@redhat.com>,
	"Hanna Reitz" <hreitz@redhat.com>,
	"Stefano Stabellini" <sstabellini@kernel.org>,
	"Anthony Perard" <anthony.perard@citrix.com>,
	"Marc-André Lureau" <marcandre.lureau@redhat.com>,
	"Paolo Bonzini" <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	"Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
	"Marcel Apfelbaum" <marcel.apfelbaum@gmail.com>,
	"Richard Henderson" <richard.henderson@linaro.org>,
	"Eduardo Habkost" <eduardo@habkost.net>,
	"Marcelo Tosatti" <mtosatti@redhat.com>,
	qemu-block@nongnu.org, xen-devel@lists.xenproject.org,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 12/12] hw/xen: add support for Xen primary console in emulated mode
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2023 09:31:37 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <684d378d-9c71-4a5f-8f0c-3ed6ffc20a70@xen.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <efdefcc11e2bd8c0f7e6e914dc9c54ffd65fe733.camel@infradead.org>

On 24/10/2023 17:34, David Woodhouse wrote:
> On Tue, 2023-10-24 at 17:25 +0100, Paul Durrant wrote:
>> On 24/10/2023 16:49, David Woodhouse wrote:
>>> On Tue, 2023-10-24 at 16:39 +0100, Paul Durrant wrote:
>>>> On 24/10/2023 16:37, David Woodhouse wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 2023-10-24 at 15:20 +0100, Paul Durrant wrote:
>>>>>> On 16/10/2023 16:19, David Woodhouse wrote:
>>>>>>> From: David Woodhouse <dwmw@amazon.co.uk>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The primary console is special because the toolstack maps a page at a
>>>>>>> fixed GFN and also allocates the guest-side event channel. Add support
>>>>>>> for that in emulated mode, so that we can have a primary console.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Add a *very* rudimentary stub of foriegnmem ops for emulated mode, which
>>>>>>> supports literally nothing except a single-page mapping of the console
>>>>>>> page. This might as well have been a hack in the xen_console driver, but
>>>>>>> this way at least the special-casing is kept within the Xen emulation
>>>>>>> code, and it gives us a hook for a more complete implementation if/when
>>>>>>> we ever do need one.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why can't you map the console page via the grant table like the xenstore
>>>>>> page?
>>>>>
>>>>> I suppose we could, but I didn't really want the generic xen-console
>>>>> device code having any more of a special case for 'Xen emulation' than
>>>>> it does already by having to call xen_primary_console_create().
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> But doesn't is save you the whole foreignmem thing? You can use the
>>>> grant table for primary and secondary consoles.
>>>
>>> Yes. And I could leave the existing foreignmem thing just for the case
>>> of primary console under true Xen. It's probably not that awful a
>>> special case, in the end.
>>>
>>> Then again, I was surprised I didn't *already* have a foreignmem ops
>>> for the emulated case, and we're probably going to want to continue
>>> fleshing it out later, so I don't really mind adding it.
>>>
>>
>> True. We'll need it for some of the other more fun protocols like vkbd
>> or fb. Still, I think it'd be nicer to align the xenstore and primary
>> console code to look similar and punt the work until then :-)
> 
> I don't think it ends up looking like xenstore either way, does it?
> Xenstore is special because it gets to use the original pointer to its
> own page.
> 

Not sure what you mean there? A guest can query the PFN for either 
xenstore or console using HVM params, or it can find them in its own 
grant table entries 0 or 1.

> I don't think I want to hack the xen_console code to explicitly call a
> xen_console_give_me_your_page() function. If not foreignmem, I think
> you were suggesting that we actually call the grant mapping code to get
> a pointer to the underlying page, right?

I'm suggesting that the page be mapped in the same way that the xenstore 
backend does:

1462    /* 

1463     * We don't actually access the guest's page through the grant, 
because
1464     * this isn't real Xen, and we can just use the page we gave it 
in the
1465     * first place. Map the grant anyway, mostly for cosmetic 
purposes so
1466     * it *looks* like it's in use in the guest-visible grant table. 

1467     */
1468    s->gt = qemu_xen_gnttab_open();
1469    uint32_t xs_gntref = GNTTAB_RESERVED_XENSTORE;
1470    s->granted_xs = qemu_xen_gnttab_map_refs(s->gt, 1, xen_domid, 
&xs_gntref,
1471                                             PROT_READ | PROT_WRITE);


> 
> I could kind of live with that... except that Xen has this ugly
> convention that the "ring-ref" frontend node for the primary console
> actually has the *MFN* not a grant ref. Which I don't understand since
> the toolstack *does* populate the grant table for it (just as it does
> for the xenstore page). But we'd have to add a special case exception
> to that special case, so that in the emu case it's an actual grant ref
> again. I think I prefer just having a stub of foreignmem, TBH.
> 

You're worried about the guest changing the page it uses for the primary 
console and putting a new one in xenstore? I'd be amazed if that even 
works on Xen unless the guest is careful to write it into 
GNTTAB_RESERVED_CONSOLE.

> (I didn't yet manage to get Xen to actually create a primary console of
> type iomem, FWIW)
> 

No, that doesn't entirely surprise me.

   Paul



  reply	other threads:[~2023-10-25  8:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 56+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-10-16 15:18 [PATCH 0/12] Get Xen PV shim running in qemu David Woodhouse
2023-10-16 15:18 ` [PATCH 01/12] i386/xen: fix per-vCPU upcall vector for Xen emulation David Woodhouse
2023-10-24 12:16   ` Paul Durrant
2023-10-24 12:58     ` David Woodhouse
2023-10-16 15:18 ` [PATCH 02/12] hw/xen: select kernel mode for per-vCPU event channel upcall vector David Woodhouse
2023-10-24 12:29   ` Paul Durrant
2023-10-24 13:20     ` David Woodhouse
2023-10-16 15:19 ` [PATCH 03/12] include: update Xen public headers to Xen 4.17.2 release David Woodhouse
2023-10-24 12:30   ` Paul Durrant
2023-10-16 15:19 ` [PATCH 04/12] i386/xen: advertise XEN_HVM_CPUID_UPCALL_VECTOR in CPUID David Woodhouse
2023-10-24 12:32   ` Paul Durrant
2023-10-16 15:19 ` [PATCH 05/12] hw/xen: populate store frontend nodes with XenStore PFN/port David Woodhouse
2023-10-24 12:35   ` Paul Durrant
2023-10-24 12:53     ` David Woodhouse
2023-10-16 15:19 ` [PATCH 06/12] hw/xen: add get_frontend_path() method to XenDeviceClass David Woodhouse
2023-10-24 12:42   ` Paul Durrant
2023-10-24 12:56     ` David Woodhouse
2023-10-24 12:59       ` Paul Durrant
2023-10-24 13:29         ` David Woodhouse
2023-10-24 13:37           ` Paul Durrant
2023-10-25  8:30             ` David Woodhouse
2023-11-21 12:25           ` David Woodhouse
2023-10-16 15:19 ` [PATCH 07/12] hw/xen: update Xen console to XenDevice model David Woodhouse
2023-10-24 13:07   ` Paul Durrant
2023-10-16 15:19 ` [PATCH 08/12] hw/xen: do not repeatedly try to create a failing backend device David Woodhouse
2023-10-24 13:19   ` Paul Durrant
2023-10-16 15:19 ` [PATCH 09/12] hw/xen: prevent duplicate device registrations David Woodhouse
2023-10-24 14:10   ` Paul Durrant
2023-10-24 14:38     ` David Woodhouse
2023-10-16 15:19 ` [PATCH 10/12] hw/xen: automatically assign device index to console devices David Woodhouse
2023-10-16 15:19 ` [PATCH 11/12] hw/xen: automatically assign device index to block devices David Woodhouse
2023-10-17 10:21   ` Kevin Wolf
2023-10-17 18:02     ` David Woodhouse
2023-10-18  7:32   ` Igor Mammedov
2023-10-18  8:32     ` David Woodhouse
2023-10-23  9:30       ` Igor Mammedov
2023-10-23  9:42         ` David Woodhouse
2023-10-23  9:42           ` David Woodhouse
2023-10-23 13:45         ` Kevin Wolf
2023-10-18  8:52   ` Kevin Wolf
2023-10-18 10:52     ` David Woodhouse
2023-10-19 11:21       ` Kevin Wolf
2023-10-20 17:47       ` David Woodhouse
2023-10-18 23:13     ` David Woodhouse
2023-10-16 15:19 ` [PATCH 12/12] hw/xen: add support for Xen primary console in emulated mode David Woodhouse
2023-10-24 14:20   ` Paul Durrant
2023-10-24 15:37     ` David Woodhouse
2023-10-24 15:39       ` Paul Durrant
2023-10-24 15:49         ` David Woodhouse
2023-10-24 16:25           ` Paul Durrant
2023-10-24 16:34             ` David Woodhouse
2023-10-25  8:31               ` Paul Durrant [this message]
2023-10-25  9:00                 ` David Woodhouse
2023-10-25 10:44                   ` Paul Durrant
2023-10-24 15:24 ` [PATCH 0/12] Get Xen PV shim running in qemu Alex Bennée
2023-10-24 16:11   ` David Woodhouse

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