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From: Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy <vsementsov@virtuozzo.com>
To: Fam Zheng <famz@redhat.com>, Eric Blake <eblake@redhat.com>
Cc: qemu-devel@nongnu.org, qemu-block@nongnu.org, armbru@redhat.com,
	kwolf@redhat.com, mreitz@redhat.com, jsnow@redhat.com,
	den@openvz.org
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v2 2/3] block/fleecing-filter: new filter driver for fleecing
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2018 14:27:01 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <69b94665-eb03-c8fb-dfae-b66c06abe97b@virtuozzo.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180702063515.GE26002@lemon.usersys.redhat.com>

02.07.2018 09:35, Fam Zheng wrote:
> On Fri, 06/29 12:24, Eric Blake wrote:
>> On 06/29/2018 10:15 AM, Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy wrote:
>>> We need to synchronize backup job with reading from fleecing image
>>> like it was done in block/replication.c.
>>>
>>> Otherwise, the following situation is theoretically possible:
>>>
>> Grammar suggestions:
>>
>>> 1. client start reading
>> client starts reading
>>
>>> 2. client understand, that there is no corresponding cluster in
>>>      fleecing image
>>> 3. client is going to read from backing file (i.e. active image)
>> client sees that no corresponding cluster has been allocated in the fleecing
>> image, so the request is forwarded to the backing file
>>
>>> 4. guest writes to active image
>>> 5. this write is stopped by backup(sync=none) and cluster is copied to
>>>      fleecing image
>>> 6. guest write continues...
>>> 7. and client reads _new_ (or partly new) date from active image
>> Interesting race. Can it actually happen, or does our read code already
>> serialize writes to the same area while a read is underway?
> Yes, I wonder why wait_serialising_requests() is not enough. If it's possible,
> can we have a test case (with help of blkdebug, for example)?

Hmm, only unaligned and COPY_ON_READ requests are marked serializing.. 
So If I understand correctly, nothing special prevents intersection, 
it's a problem of the guest. But in backup case, it's our problem.

>
>> In short, I see what problem you are claiming exists: the moment the client
>> starts reading from the backing file, that portion of the backing file must
>> remain unchanged until after the client is done reading.  But I don't know
>> enough details of the block layer to know if this is actually a problem, or
>> if adding the new filter is just overhead.
> Fam


-- 
Best regards,
Vladimir

  reply	other threads:[~2018-07-02 11:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-06-29 15:15 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v2 0/3] image fleecing Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2018-06-29 15:15 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v2 1/3] blockdev-backup: enable non-root nodes for backup source Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2018-06-29 17:13   ` Eric Blake
2018-06-29 17:31   ` John Snow
2018-06-29 15:15 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v2 2/3] block/fleecing-filter: new filter driver for fleecing Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2018-06-29 17:24   ` Eric Blake
2018-07-02  6:35     ` Fam Zheng
2018-07-02 11:27       ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy [this message]
2018-07-02 11:47     ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2018-06-29 17:30   ` John Snow
2018-06-29 17:40     ` Eric Blake
2018-07-02 12:09       ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2018-07-03 11:15         ` Kevin Wolf
2018-07-03 11:52           ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2018-07-03 16:11           ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2018-07-03 18:02             ` Kevin Wolf
2018-07-04 14:07           ` Max Reitz
2018-07-02 11:57     ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2018-07-03 11:22       ` Kevin Wolf
2018-06-29 15:15 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v2 3/3] qemu-iotests: Image fleecing test case 222 Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2018-06-29 15:31   ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2018-06-29 17:58   ` Eric Blake
2018-06-29 21:04     ` John Snow
2018-07-02  6:45       ` Fam Zheng
2018-07-02 12:58       ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2018-06-29 16:38 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v2 0/3] image fleecing John Snow
2018-06-29 17:36   ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2018-06-29 17:52     ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy

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