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From: John Snow <jsnow@redhat.com>
To: Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito <eesposit@redhat.com>, qemu-block@nongnu.org
Cc: Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com>,
	Eduardo Habkost <ehabkost@redhat.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, Max Reitz <mreitz@redhat.com>,
	Cleber Rosa <crosa@redhat.com>,
	Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 10/15] qemu_iotests: extent QMP socket timeout when using valgrind
Date: Tue, 18 May 2021 10:26:23 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <7004fc54-d456-32f6-1c35-4cce1de00a6e@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <37fc7122-2bf3-a3a4-30cb-014ef8391f2e@redhat.com>

On 5/18/21 9:58 AM, Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito wrote:
> 
>>> So the current plan I have for _qmp_timer is:
>>>
>>> - As Max suggested, move it in __init__ and check there for the 
>>> wrapper contents. If we need to block forever (gdb, valgrind), we set 
>>> it to None. Otherwise to 15 seconds. I think setting it always to 
>>> None is not ideal, because if you are testing something that 
>>> deadlocks (see my attempts to remove/add locks in QEMU multiqueue) 
>>> and the socket is set to block forever, you don't know if the test is 
>>> super slow or it just deadlocked.
>>>
>>
>> I agree with your concern on rational defaults, let's focus on that 
>> briefly:
>>
>> Let's have QEMUMachine default to *no timeouts* moving forward, and 
>> have the timeouts be *opt-in*. This keeps the Machine class somewhat 
>> pure and free of opinions. The separation of mechanism and policy.
>>
>> Next, instead of modifying hundreds of tests to opt-in to the timeout, 
>> let's modify the VM class in iotests.py to opt-in to that timeout, 
>> restoring the current "safe" behavior of iotests.
>>
>> The above items can happen in a single commit, preserving behavior in 
>> the bisect.
>>
>> Finally, we can add a non-private property that individual tests can 
>> re-override to opt BACK out of the default.
>>
>> Something as simple as:
>>
>> vm.qmp_timeout = None
>>
>> would be just fine.
>>
> 
> I applied these suggested changes, will send v4 and we'll see what comes 
> out of it.
> 
>>> Well, one can argue that in both cases this is not the expected 
>>> behavior, but I think having an upper bound on each QMP command 
>>> execution would be good.
>>>
>>> - pass _qmp_timer directly to self._qmp.accept() in _post launch, 
>>> leaving _launch() intact. I think this makes sense because as you 
>>> also mentioned, changing _post_launch() into taking a parameter 
>>> requires changing also all subclasses and pass values around.
>>>
>>
>> Sounds OK. If we do change the defaults back to "No Timeout" in a way 
>> that allows an override by an opinionated class, we'll already have 
>> the public property, though, so a parameter might not be needed.
>>
>> (Yes, this is the THIRD time I've changed my mind in 48 hours.)
>>
>>> Any opinion on this is very welcome.
>>>
>>
>> Brave words!
>>
>> My last thought here is that I still don't like the idea of 
>> QEMUMachine class changing its timeout behavior based on the 
>> introspection of wrapper args.
>>
>> It feels much more like the case that a caller who is knowingly 
>> wrapping it with a program that delays its execution should change its 
>> parameters accordingly based on what the caller knows about what 
>> they're trying to accomplish.
>>
>> Does that make the code too messy? I understand you probably want to 
>> ensure that adding a GDB wrapper is painless and simple, so it might 
>> not be great to always ask a caller to remember to set some timeout 
>> value to use it.
>>
> I am not sure I follow you here, where do you want to move this logic? 
> Can you please elaborate more, I did not understand what you mean.
> 
> I understand that tweaking the timers in iotests.py with checks like
> 
> if not (qemu_gdb or qemu_valgrind):
>      normal timer
> 
> may not be the most beautiful piece of code, but as you said it keeps 
> things as simple as they can.
> 

What I mean is that of the two patterns:

caller.py:
     vm = machine(..., wrapper_args=['gdb', ...])

machine.py:
     def __init__(...):
         if 'gdb' in wrapper_args:
             self.timer = None

vs this one:

caller.py:
     vm = machine(..., wrapper_args=['gdb', ...], timer=None)

machine.py:
     def __init__(...):
         ... # No introspection of wrapper_args


I prefer the second. I would assume it's possible to localize the logic 
that creates a GDB-wrapped machine alongside the knowledge that it needs 
the timeout turned off *outside* of the machine class.

I could be *very wrong* about that assumption though. The reason I 
prefer the second pattern is because it avoids having to deal with what 
happens when a caller specifies both a timeout and a gdb-wrapper. In the 
second case, the caller explicitly requested the timeout to be None, so 
anything that occurs afterwards is the fault of the caller, not machine.py.

To me, that's "simpler". (I could be wrong, I don't have a great overall 
view of your series, just the bits that I have seen that touch machine.py.)

--js

>> I figure that the right place to do this, though, is wherever the 
>> boilerplate code gets written that knows how to set up the right gdb 
>> args and so on, and not in machine.py. It sounds like iotests.py code 
>> to me, maybe in the VM class.
> 
> After the changes suggested on qmp_timeout, iotests.py already contains 
> the only code to perform the setup right for gdb and valgrind, and 
> machine.py is not touched (except for qmp_timeout). iotests.py will 
> essentially contain a couple of ifs like the one above, changing the 
> timer when gdb and valgring are *not* needed.
> 
> Emanuele
> 



  reply	other threads:[~2021-05-18 14:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 50+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-04-14 17:03 [PATCH v3 00/15] qemu_iotests: improve debugging options Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito
2021-04-14 17:03 ` [PATCH v3 01/15] python: qemu: add timer parameter for qmp.accept socket Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito
2021-04-30 11:23   ` Max Reitz
2021-05-13 17:54   ` John Snow
2021-05-14  8:16     ` Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito
2021-04-14 17:03 ` [PATCH v3 02/15] python: qemu: pass the wrapper field from QEMUQtestmachine to QEMUMachine Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito
2021-04-30 11:23   ` Max Reitz
2021-05-13 17:55   ` John Snow
2021-04-14 17:03 ` [PATCH v3 03/15] docs/devel/testing: add debug section to the QEMU iotests chapter Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito
2021-04-30 11:23   ` Max Reitz
2021-04-30 14:07     ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-04-14 17:03 ` [PATCH v3 04/15] qemu-iotests: add option to attach gdbserver Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito
2021-04-30 11:38   ` Max Reitz
2021-04-30 21:03     ` Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito
2021-05-03 14:38       ` Max Reitz
2021-04-30 12:03   ` Max Reitz
2021-04-14 17:03 ` [PATCH v3 05/15] qemu-iotests: delay QMP socket timers Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito
2021-04-30 11:59   ` Max Reitz
2021-04-30 21:03     ` Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito
2021-05-03 15:02       ` Max Reitz
2021-05-13 18:20         ` John Snow
2021-04-14 17:03 ` [PATCH v3 06/15] qemu_iotests: insert gdbserver command line as wrapper for qemu binary Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito
2021-04-30 12:05   ` Max Reitz
2021-04-14 17:03 ` [PATCH v3 07/15] qemu-iotests: add gdbserver option to script tests too Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito
2021-04-30 12:17   ` Max Reitz
2021-04-14 17:03 ` [PATCH v3 08/15] docs/devel/testing: add -gdb option to the debugging section of QEMU iotests Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito
2021-04-30 12:27   ` Max Reitz
2021-04-14 17:03 ` [PATCH v3 09/15] qemu_iotests: extend the check script to support valgrind for python tests Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito
2021-04-30 12:45   ` Max Reitz
2021-04-14 17:03 ` [PATCH v3 10/15] qemu_iotests: extent QMP socket timeout when using valgrind Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito
2021-04-30 13:02   ` Max Reitz
2021-04-30 21:03     ` Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito
2021-05-13 18:47   ` John Snow
2021-05-14  8:16     ` Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito
2021-05-14 20:02       ` John Snow
2021-05-18 13:58         ` Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito
2021-05-18 14:26           ` John Snow [this message]
2021-05-18 18:20             ` Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito
2021-04-14 17:03 ` [PATCH v3 11/15] qemu_iotests: allow valgrind to read/delete the generated log file Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito
2021-04-30 13:17   ` Max Reitz
2021-04-14 17:03 ` [PATCH v3 12/15] qemu_iotests: insert valgrind command line as wrapper for qemu binary Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito
2021-04-30 13:20   ` Max Reitz
2021-04-14 17:03 ` [PATCH v3 13/15] docs/devel/testing: add -valgrind option to the debug section of QEMU iotests Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito
2021-04-30 13:24   ` Max Reitz
2021-04-14 17:03 ` [PATCH v3 14/15] qemu_iotests: add option to show qemu binary logs on stdout Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito
2021-04-30 13:50   ` Max Reitz
2021-04-30 21:04     ` Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito
2021-05-03 15:03       ` Max Reitz
2021-04-14 17:03 ` [PATCH v3 15/15] docs/devel/testing: add -p option to the debug section of QEMU iotests Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito
2021-04-30 13:55   ` Max Reitz

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