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From: "Philippe Mathieu-Daudé" <philmd@redhat.com>
To: Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@redhat.com>,
	Peter Maydell <peter.maydell@linaro.org>
Cc: "Jim Mussared" <jim@groklearning.com>,
	"Julia Suvorova" <jusual@mail.ru>,
	"QEMU Developers" <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	"Steffen Gortz" <qemu.ml@steffen-goertz.de>,
	qemu-arm <qemu-arm@nongnu.org>, "Joel Stanley" <joel@jms.id.au>,
	"Alex Bennée" <alex.bennee@linaro.org>,
	"Thomas Huth" <thuth@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH] Revert "armv7m: Guard against no -kernel argument"
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2019 17:07:51 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <738394de-bd75-4ef3-10ef-de8cd07891de@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190429122819.GB7587@stefanha-x1.localdomain>



On 4/29/19 2:28 PM, Stefan Hajnoczi wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 26, 2019 at 12:45:37PM +0100, Peter Maydell wrote:
>> On Fri, 26 Apr 2019 at 10:17, Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@redhat.com> wrote:
>>> On Thu, Apr 25, 2019 at 08:07:06PM +0200, Philippe Mathieu-Daudé wrote:
>>> Old boards probably want to continue using -kernel.  New boards like
>>> microbit may use just -device loader.  Perhaps there is even a group
>>> that wants both options.
>>>
>>> A solution is to introduce explicit checks so that we can tell the user
>>> the appropriate option for the machine type.  I can work on this if you
>>> like, but probably won't be able to send a patch until Tuesday.
>>
>> But it's difficult to tell how to identify whether there's really
>> any guest code there. For instance the user might want to start
>> QEMU, connect via the gdbstub and load guest code from gdb.
>> Or they might be using the generic-loader device. Or they might
>> really be using -kernel but with a broken guest image which doesn't
>> have a vector table in it, which will result in the same message.
>> I guess you could have a heuristic for "if an M-profile CPU is in reset
>> and the value it loads for the starting PC is zero and the gdb
>> stub is not connected, then print a warning that the guest image
>> is missing or there's no vector table" but I'm not a big fan of
>> heuristics...
> 
> I was going to add a function to check kernel_filename and the presence
> of -device loader.  Then each machine type init function would call the
> function with flags indicating which modes are allowed:
> 
>   /* Allow both -kernel and -device loader */
>   check_kernel_loaded(KERNEL_CMDLINE | KERNEL_LOADER);
> 
>   /* Allow only -kernel */
>   check_kernel_loaded(KERNEL_CMDLINE);
> 
>   /* Allow only -device loader */
>   check_kernel_loaded(KERNEL_LOADER);
> 
> This doesn't support the gdbstub use case you've described though.  No
> heuristics but a bit inflexible.
> What do you think?

We can check for QEMU_OPTION_gdb/QEMU_OPTION_s, if present display
warning, else display error? Or no warning at all...

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From: "Philippe Mathieu-Daudé" <philmd@redhat.com>
To: Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@redhat.com>,
	Peter Maydell <peter.maydell@linaro.org>
Cc: "Jim Mussared" <jim@groklearning.com>,
	"Alex Bennée" <alex.bennee@linaro.org>,
	"QEMU Developers" <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	"Steffen Gortz" <qemu.ml@steffen-goertz.de>,
	qemu-arm <qemu-arm@nongnu.org>, "Joel Stanley" <joel@jms.id.au>,
	"Thomas Huth" <thuth@redhat.com>,
	"Julia Suvorova" <jusual@mail.ru>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH] Revert "armv7m: Guard against no -kernel argument"
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2019 17:07:51 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <738394de-bd75-4ef3-10ef-de8cd07891de@redhat.com> (raw)
Message-ID: <20190429150751.xw33xDiE9useM1eb-v4COYaAy6haYF_x60gIE52B1Os@z> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190429122819.GB7587@stefanha-x1.localdomain>

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On 4/29/19 2:28 PM, Stefan Hajnoczi wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 26, 2019 at 12:45:37PM +0100, Peter Maydell wrote:
>> On Fri, 26 Apr 2019 at 10:17, Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@redhat.com> wrote:
>>> On Thu, Apr 25, 2019 at 08:07:06PM +0200, Philippe Mathieu-Daudé wrote:
>>> Old boards probably want to continue using -kernel.  New boards like
>>> microbit may use just -device loader.  Perhaps there is even a group
>>> that wants both options.
>>>
>>> A solution is to introduce explicit checks so that we can tell the user
>>> the appropriate option for the machine type.  I can work on this if you
>>> like, but probably won't be able to send a patch until Tuesday.
>>
>> But it's difficult to tell how to identify whether there's really
>> any guest code there. For instance the user might want to start
>> QEMU, connect via the gdbstub and load guest code from gdb.
>> Or they might be using the generic-loader device. Or they might
>> really be using -kernel but with a broken guest image which doesn't
>> have a vector table in it, which will result in the same message.
>> I guess you could have a heuristic for "if an M-profile CPU is in reset
>> and the value it loads for the starting PC is zero and the gdb
>> stub is not connected, then print a warning that the guest image
>> is missing or there's no vector table" but I'm not a big fan of
>> heuristics...
> 
> I was going to add a function to check kernel_filename and the presence
> of -device loader.  Then each machine type init function would call the
> function with flags indicating which modes are allowed:
> 
>   /* Allow both -kernel and -device loader */
>   check_kernel_loaded(KERNEL_CMDLINE | KERNEL_LOADER);
> 
>   /* Allow only -kernel */
>   check_kernel_loaded(KERNEL_CMDLINE);
> 
>   /* Allow only -device loader */
>   check_kernel_loaded(KERNEL_LOADER);
> 
> This doesn't support the gdbstub use case you've described though.  No
> heuristics but a bit inflexible.
> What do you think?

We can check for QEMU_OPTION_gdb/QEMU_OPTION_s, if present display
warning, else display error? Or no warning at all...


  parent reply	other threads:[~2019-04-29 15:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-01-03 14:41 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH] Revert "armv7m: Guard against no -kernel argument" Stefan Hajnoczi
2019-01-04 15:16 ` Peter Maydell
2019-04-25 18:07   ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2019-04-25 18:07     ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2019-04-25 21:48     ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2019-04-25 21:48       ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2019-04-26  9:17     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2019-04-26  9:17       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2019-04-26 11:45       ` Peter Maydell
2019-04-26 11:45         ` Peter Maydell
2019-04-29 12:28         ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2019-04-29 12:28           ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2019-04-29 12:58           ` Peter Maydell
2019-04-29 12:58             ` Peter Maydell
2019-05-01 16:25             ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2019-05-01 16:25               ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2019-04-29 15:07           ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé [this message]
2019-04-29 15:07             ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2019-04-29 12:53       ` Joel Stanley
2019-04-29 12:53         ` Joel Stanley
2019-05-01 16:23         ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2019-05-01 16:23           ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2019-05-03  2:04           ` Joel Stanley
2019-05-03  2:04             ` Joel Stanley

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