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From: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
To: Eduardo Habkost <ehabkost@redhat.com>, Thomas Huth <thuth@redhat.com>
Cc: "Cornelia Huck" <cohuck@redhat.com>,
	"Markus Armbruster" <armbru@redhat.com>,
	"Daniel P. Berrangé" <berrange@redhat.com>,
	zhang.zhanghailiang@huawei.com,
	"Ben Warren" <ben@skyportsystems.com>,
	qemu-trivial@nongnu.org, qemu-devel@nongnu.org,
	"Stefan Hajnoczi" <stefanha@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH 4/4] qemu-options: Do not show -enable-kvm and -enable-hax in the docs anymore
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2018 23:22:43 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <743d495e-51cd-8c8e-293e-026b8dece74a@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180622193522.GI7451@localhost.localdomain>

On 22/06/2018 21:35, Eduardo Habkost wrote:
>>> Why is this better than using KVM by default if it's available?
>> The answer is (as almost always): Compatibility with migration. Nobody
>> dares to sacrifice that chicken :-(
> We can now kill it if we announce the feature as deprecated a
> couple of releases in advance.
> 
> If we declare that compatibility when the accelerator is omitted
> is deprecated in 3.0, in QEMU 3.3 we will be free to choose a
> different default accelerator.

We can, we don't necessarily want it.

The status quo is that people using KVM are invoking qemu as qemu-kvm,
people using TCG are invoking qemu as qemu-system-*.  All distros are
shipping a qemu-kvm or more rarely kvm binary, which is invariably a
wrapper script except for RHEL because RHEL doesn't have a qemu-system-*
binary at all.

By the way, changing qemu-system-*'s default to e.g. RHEL's "kvm or tcg"
would not help distros that have "-accel kvm" in their /usr/bin/qemu-kvm
script.

All in all, it seems simpler for me to take the status quo, which is
what non-RHEL distros do, and make it part of upstream.

Paolo

  reply	other threads:[~2018-06-22 21:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-06-13  5:05 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 0/4] Clean up accelerator options Thomas Huth
2018-06-13  5:05 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 1/4] Replace '-machine accel=xyz' with '-accel xyz' Thomas Huth
2018-06-13 12:20   ` Eric Blake
2018-06-13 12:48   ` Paolo Bonzini
2018-06-13 12:53     ` Thomas Huth
2018-06-13 13:54       ` Paolo Bonzini
2018-06-13 14:12         ` Thomas Huth
2018-06-13 16:10       ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-06-13 13:38   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2018-06-13  5:05 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 2/4] Replace '-enable-kvm' with '-accel kvm' in docs and help texts Thomas Huth
2018-06-13 12:51   ` Paolo Bonzini
2018-06-13 13:38   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2018-06-13  5:05 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 3/4] qemu-options: Improve the documentation of '-accel' and '-machine accel=...' Thomas Huth
2018-06-13 13:38   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2018-06-13  5:05 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH 4/4] qemu-options: Do not show -enable-kvm and -enable-hax in the docs anymore Thomas Huth
2018-06-13 12:51   ` Paolo Bonzini
2018-06-13 13:38   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2018-06-13 13:44     ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2018-06-13 15:11       ` Thomas Huth
2018-06-13 15:19         ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2018-06-13 15:44           ` Thomas Huth
2018-06-13 16:02           ` Markus Armbruster
2018-06-19 15:15             ` Cornelia Huck
2018-06-19 16:16               ` Paolo Bonzini
2018-06-22 18:11                 ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-06-22 19:19                   ` Thomas Huth
2018-06-22 19:35                     ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-06-22 21:22                       ` Paolo Bonzini [this message]
2018-06-25  6:50                         ` Markus Armbruster
2018-06-25 10:28                           ` Paolo Bonzini
2018-06-25 17:30                             ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-06-25 18:26                               ` Paolo Bonzini
2018-06-25 19:51                                 ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-06-26  5:57                                   ` Paolo Bonzini
2018-06-26 12:29                                     ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-06-26 13:05                                       ` Paolo Bonzini
2018-06-26 16:06                                         ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-06-26 16:10                                           ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2018-06-27  8:39                                           ` Paolo Bonzini
2018-06-27 14:05                                             ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-06-26  4:40                                 ` Thomas Huth
2018-06-26  7:50                                   ` Cornelia Huck
2018-06-26 12:56                                     ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-06-26 16:43                                       ` Markus Armbruster
2018-06-27  8:49                                         ` Paolo Bonzini
2018-06-13 13:39 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 0/4] Clean up accelerator options Stefan Hajnoczi

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