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From: Max Reitz <mreitz@redhat.com>
To: Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy <vsementsov@virtuozzo.com>,
	Alberto Garcia <berto@igalia.com>,
	"qemu-devel@nongnu.org" <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>
Cc: Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com>,
	"qemu-block@nongnu.org" <qemu-block@nongnu.org>
Subject: Re: qcow2 preallocation and backing files
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2019 09:51:50 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <78235737-2182-f126-af84-151b1e01b803@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5b57fb5b-4480-2b39-9c60-bbd63f13f1cb@virtuozzo.com>


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On 20.11.19 16:58, Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy wrote:
> 20.11.2019 18:18, Alberto Garcia wrote:
>> On Wed 20 Nov 2019 01:27:53 PM CET, Vladimir Semeeausntsov-Ogievskiy wrote:
>>
>>> 3. Also, the latter way is inconsistent with discard. Discarded
>>> regions returns zeroes, not clusters from backing. I think discard and
>>> truncate should behave in the same safe zero way.
>>
>> But then PREALLOC_MODE_OFF implies that the L2 metadata should be
>> preallocated (all clusters should be QCOW2_CLUSTER_ZERO_PLAIN), at least
>> when there is a backing file.
>>
>> Or maybe we just forbid PREALLOC_MODE_OFF during resize if there is a
>> backing file ?
>>
> 
> Kevin proposed a fix that alters PREALLOC_MODE_OFF behavior if there is
> a backing file, to allocate L2 metadata with ZERO clusters..
> 
> I don't think that it's the best thing to do, but it's already done, it works
> and seems appropriate for rc3..
> 
> I see now, that change PREALLOC_MODE_OFF behavior may break things, first of
> all qemu-img create, which creating UNALLOCATED qcow2 by default for years.
> 
> Still, I think that it would be safer to always ZERO expanded part of qcow2,
> regardless of backing file..
> 
> We may add PREALLOC_MODE_ZERO, and use it in mirror, commit, and some other calls
> to bdrv_truncate, except for qcow2 image creation of course.

Well, the good news is that block_resize currently has no such parameter
and thus we could make a non-OFF value the default.

The bad news is that the reason it has no such parameter is that it
would need to be a job in order to support any form of preallocation.

So actually I don’t think we can make block_resize write zeroes to the
new region by default, because then it needs to be a job, and it just
isn’t.  (Of course, we can get to it through a deprecation cycle, but we
can’t “fix” block_resize directly.)

Max


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      parent reply	other threads:[~2019-11-21  8:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 8+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-11-20 12:06 qcow2 preallocation and backing files Alberto Garcia
2019-11-20 12:27 ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2019-11-20 15:18   ` Alberto Garcia
2019-11-20 15:58     ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2019-11-20 16:35       ` Alberto Garcia
2019-11-20 16:46       ` Kevin Wolf
2019-11-20 17:49         ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2019-11-21  8:51       ` Max Reitz [this message]

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