From: "Philippe Mathieu-Daudé" <philmd@linaro.org>
To: "Manos Pitsidianakis" <manos.pitsidianakis@linaro.org>,
qemu-devel@nongnu.org, "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
"Daniel P. Berrangé" <berrange@redhat.com>
Cc: "Richard Henderson" <richard.henderson@linaro.org>,
"Alexander Graf" <agraf@csgraf.de>,
"Alex Benn é e" <alex.bennee@linaro.org>,
"Paolo Bonzini" <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
"Markus Armbruster" <armbru@redhat.com>,
"Stefan Hajnoczi" <stefanha@redhat.com>,
"Thomas Huth" <thuth@redhat.com>, "Kevin Wolf" <kwolf@redhat.com>,
"Gerd Hoffmann" <kraxel@redhat.com>,
"Mark Cave-Ayland" <mark.cave-ayland@ilande.co.uk>,
"Peter Maydell" <peter.maydell@linaro.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] docs: define policy forbidding use of "AI" / LLM code generators
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2023 16:29:52 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <791c81ad-e98d-4eee-9ca7-f3157977913c@linaro.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4l0it.9kkxe9s135lg@linaro.org>
On 23/11/23 15:56, Manos Pitsidianakis wrote:
> On Thu, 23 Nov 2023 16:35, "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, Nov 23, 2023 at 11:40:26AM +0000, Daniel P. Berrangé wrote:
>>> There has been an explosion of interest in so called "AI" (LLM)
>>> code generators in the past year or so. Thus far though, this is
>>> has not been matched by a broadly accepted legal interpretation
>>> of the licensing implications for code generator outputs. While
>>> the vendors may claim there is no problem and a free choice of
>>> license is possible, they have an inherent conflict of interest
>>> in promoting this interpretation. More broadly there is, as yet,
>>> no broad consensus on the licensing implications of code generators
>>> trained on inputs under a wide variety of licenses.
>>>
>>> The DCO requires contributors to assert they have the right to
>>> contribute under the designated project license. Given the lack
>>> of consensus on the licensing of "AI" (LLM) code generator output,
>>> it is not considered credible to assert compliance with the DCO
>>> clause (b) or (c) where a patch includes such generated code.
>>>
>>> This patch thus defines a policy that the QEMU project will not
>>> accept contributions where use of "AI" (LLM) code generators is
>>> either known, or suspected.
>>>
>>> Signed-off-by: Daniel P. Berrangé <berrange@redhat.com>
>>> ---
>>> docs/devel/code-provenance.rst | 40 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>> 1 file changed, 40 insertions(+)
>>> +Use of "AI" (LLM) code generators
>>> +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>> +
>>> +TL;DR:
>>> +
>>> + **Current QEMU project policy is to DECLINE any contributions
>>> + which are believed to include or derive from "AI" (LLM)
>>> + generated code.**
>>> +
>>> +The existence of "AI" (`Large Language Model
>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Large_language_model>`__
>>> +/ LLM) code generators raises a number of difficult legal questions, a
>>> +number of which impact on Open Source projects. As noted earlier, the
>>> +QEMU community requires that contributors certify their patch
>>> submissions
>>> +are made in accordance with the rules of the :ref:`dco` (DCO). When a
>>> +patch contains "AI" generated code this raises difficulties with code
>>> +provenence and thus DCO compliance.
>>> +
>>> +To satisfy the DCO, the patch contributor has to fully understand
>>> +the origins and license of code they are contributing to QEMU. The
>>> +license terms that should apply to the output of an "AI" code generator
>>> +are ill-defined, given that both training data and operation of the
>>> +"AI" are typically opaque to the user. Even where the training data
>>> +is said to all be open source, it will likely be under a wide variety
>>> +of license terms.
>>> +
>>> +While the vendor's of "AI" code generators may promote the idea that
>>> +code output can be taken under a free choice of license, this is not
>>> +yet considered to be a generally accepted, nor tested, legal opinion.
>>> +
>>> +With this in mind, the QEMU maintainers does not consider it is
>>> +currently possible to comply with DCO terms (b) or (c) for most "AI"
>>> +generated code.
>>> +
>>> +The QEMU maintainers thus require that contributors refrain from using
>>> +"AI" code generators on patches intended to be submitted to the
>>> project,
>>> +and will decline any contribution if use of "AI" is known or suspected.
>>> +
>>> +Examples of tools impacted by this policy includes both GitHub CoPilot,
>>> +and ChatGPT, amongst many others which are less well known.
>>
>>
>> So you called out these two by name, fine, but given "AI" is in scare
>> quotes I don't really know what is or is not allowed and I don't know
>> how will contributors know. Is the "AI" that one must not use
>> necessarily an LLM? And how do you define LLM even? Wikipedia says
>> "general-purpose language understanding and generation".
>>
>>
>> All this seems vague to me.
>>
>>
>> However, can't we define a simpler more specific policy?
>> For example, isn't it true that *any* automatically generated code
>> can only be included if the scripts producing said code
>> are also included or otherwise available under GPLv2?
>
> The following definition makes sense to me:
>
> - Automated codegen tool must be idempotent.
> - Automated codegen tool must not use statistical modelling.
>
> I'd remove all AI or LLM references. These are non-specific, colloquial
> and in the case of `AI`, non-technical. This policy should apply the
> same to a Markov chain code generator.
This document targets all contributors. Contributions can be typo
fix, translations, ... and don't have to be technical. Similarly,
contributors aren't expected to be technical experts. As a neophyte,
"AI" makes sense. "Idempotent code generator" or "LLM" don't :)
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2023-11-23 15:31 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 57+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2023-11-23 11:40 [PATCH 0/2] docs: define policy forbidding use of "AI" / LLM code generators Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-11-23 11:40 ` [PATCH 1/2] docs: introduce dedicated page about code provenance / sign-off Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-11-23 11:58 ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2023-11-23 17:08 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-11-23 23:56 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-11-23 13:01 ` Peter Maydell
2023-11-23 17:12 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-11-23 13:16 ` Kevin Wolf
2023-11-23 17:12 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-11-23 14:25 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-11-23 17:16 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-11-23 17:33 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-11-24 11:11 ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2023-11-24 11:27 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-11-24 9:49 ` Kevin Wolf
2023-11-23 15:13 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2024-01-27 14:36 ` Zhao Liu
2024-01-29 9:31 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2024-01-29 9:35 ` Samuel Tardieu
2024-01-29 10:41 ` Peter Maydell
2024-01-29 11:00 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-11-23 11:40 ` [PATCH 2/2] docs: define policy forbidding use of "AI" / LLM code generators Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-11-23 12:57 ` Alex Bennée
2023-11-23 17:37 ` Michal Suchánek
2023-11-23 23:27 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-11-23 17:46 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-11-23 23:53 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-11-24 10:17 ` Kevin Wolf
2023-11-24 10:33 ` Alex Bennée
2023-11-24 10:42 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-11-24 10:43 ` Peter Maydell
2023-11-24 11:02 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-11-24 11:37 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-11-24 11:39 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-11-24 11:40 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-11-23 13:20 ` Kevin Wolf
2023-11-23 14:35 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-11-23 14:56 ` Manos Pitsidianakis
2023-11-23 15:13 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-11-23 15:29 ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé [this message]
2023-11-23 17:06 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-11-23 17:29 ` Michal Suchánek
2023-11-23 18:05 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-11-23 15:32 ` Alex Bennée
2023-11-23 18:02 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-11-23 18:10 ` Peter Maydell
2023-11-24 10:25 ` Kevin Wolf
2023-11-24 10:37 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-11-24 10:42 ` Manos Pitsidianakis
2023-11-23 17:58 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-11-23 22:39 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-11-24 9:06 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-11-24 9:27 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-11-24 10:21 ` Alex Bennée
2023-11-24 10:30 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-11-24 11:41 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-11-23 15:22 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
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