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From: Steven Sistare <steven.sistare@oracle.com>
To: "Daniel P. Berrangé" <berrange@redhat.com>,
	"JAEHOON KIM" <jhkim@linux.ibm.com>
Cc: qemu-devel@nongnu.org, jjherne@linux.ibm.com, peterx@redhat.com,
	farosas@suse.de
Subject: Re: [PATCH v1] migration: Wait for cpr.sock file to appear before connecting
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2025 11:50:10 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <7dc8d42d-47f1-49c1-9bff-ab2d09d0b6f3@oracle.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aEMMjtsKZLX_Bi03@redhat.com>

On 6/6/2025 11:43 AM, Daniel P. Berrangé wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 06, 2025 at 10:37:28AM -0500, JAEHOON KIM wrote:
>> On 6/6/2025 10:12 AM, Steven Sistare wrote:
>>> On 6/6/2025 11:06 AM, JAEHOON KIM wrote:
>>>> On 6/6/2025 9:14 AM, Steven Sistare wrote:
>>>>> On 6/6/2025 9:53 AM, Daniel P. Berrangé wrote:
>>>>>> On Thu, Jun 05, 2025 at 06:08:08PM -0500, Jaehoon Kim wrote:
>>>>>>> When the source VM attempts to connect to the destination VM's Unix
>>>>>>> domain socket(cpr.sock) during CPR transfer, the socket
>>>>>>> file might not
>>>>>>> yet be exist if the destination side hasn't completed the bind
>>>>>>> operation. This can lead to connection failures when
>>>>>>> running tests with
>>>>>>> the qtest framework.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This sounds like a flawed test impl to me - whatever is initiating
>>>>>> the cpr operation on the source has done so prematurely - it should
>>>>>> ensure the dest is ready before starting the operation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> To address this, add cpr_validate_socket_path(), which wait for the
>>>>>>> socket file to appear. This avoids intermittent qtest
>>>>>>> failures caused by
>>>>>>> early connection attempts.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> IMHO it is dubious to special case cpr in this way.
>>>>>
>>>>> I agree with Daniel, and unfortunately it is not just a test issue;
>>>>> every management framework that supports cpr-transfer must add logic to
>>>>> wait for the cpr socket to appear in the target before proceeding.
>>>>>
>>>>> This is analogous to waiting for the monitor socket to appear before
>>>>> connecting to it.
>>>>>
>>>>> - Steve
>>>>
>>>> Thank you very much for your valuable review and feedback.
>>>>
>>>> Just to clarify, the added cpr_validate_socket_path() function is
>>>> not limited to the test framework.
>>>> It is part of the actual CPR implementation and is intended to
>>>> ensure correct behavior in all cases, including outside of tests.
>>>>
>>>> I mentioned the qtest failure simply as an example where this issue
>>>> became apparent.
>>>
>>> Yes, I understand that you understand :)
>>> Are you willing to move your fix to the qtest?
>>>
>>> - Steve
>>
>> Thank you for your question and feedback.
>>
>> I agree that the issue could be addressed within the qtest framework to
>> improve stability.
>>
>> However, this socket readiness check is a fundamental part of CPR transfer
>> process,
>> and I believe that incorporating cpr_validate_socket_path() directly into
>> the CPR implementation helps ensure more reliable behavior
>> across all environments - not only during testing.
>>
>> Just from my perspective, adding this logic to the CPR code does not
>> introduce significant overhead or side effects.
>> I would appreciate if you could share more details about your concerns, so I
>> can better address them.
> 
> Requiring a busy wait like this is a sign of a design problem.
> 
> There needs to be a way to setup the incoming socket listener
> without resorting to busy waiting - that's showing a lack of
> synchronization.

How is this a design problem?  If I start a program that creates a listening unix
domain socket, I cannot attempt to connect to it until the socket is created and
listening. Clients face the same issue when starting qemu and connecting to the
monitor socket.

- Steve



  reply	other threads:[~2025-06-06 15:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-06-05 23:08 [PATCH v1] migration: Wait for cpr.sock file to appear before connecting Jaehoon Kim
2025-06-06 13:40 ` Fabiano Rosas
2025-06-06 14:48   ` JAEHOON KIM
2025-06-06 15:47     ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2025-06-06 13:53 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2025-06-06 14:14   ` Steven Sistare
2025-06-06 15:06     ` JAEHOON KIM
2025-06-06 15:12       ` Steven Sistare
2025-06-06 15:37         ` JAEHOON KIM
2025-06-06 15:43           ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2025-06-06 15:50             ` Steven Sistare [this message]
2025-06-06 16:06               ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2025-06-06 17:04                 ` Steven Sistare
2025-06-06 18:06                   ` JAEHOON KIM
2025-06-06 19:37                     ` Steven Sistare
2025-06-08 22:01                       ` JAEHOON KIM
2025-06-09  8:06                       ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2025-06-09 13:12                         ` Steven Sistare
2025-06-09 13:20                           ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2025-06-09 13:39                             ` Steven Sistare
2025-06-09 13:48                               ` JAEHOON KIM
2025-06-09 13:50                               ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2025-06-09 14:54                                 ` JAEHOON KIM
2025-06-09 14:57                                   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2025-06-09 15:32                                     ` JAEHOON KIM

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