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From: Max Reitz <mreitz@redhat.com>
To: Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy <vsementsov@virtuozzo.com>,
	qemu-block@nongnu.org
Cc: kwolf@redhat.com, den@openvz.org, qemu-devel@nongnu.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 for-6.0? 0/3] qcow2: fix parallel rewrite and discard (rw-lock)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2021 14:51:06 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <80e4838f-772b-28e1-3bdb-10a5d7e72ec0@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <166496e1-f855-5813-2fe8-88035fb85a26@virtuozzo.com>

On 30.03.21 12:51, Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy wrote:
> 30.03.2021 12:49, Max Reitz wrote:
>> On 25.03.21 20:12, Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy wrote:
>>> ping. Do we want it for 6.0?
>>
>> I’d rather wait.  I think the conclusion was that guests shouldn’t hit 
>> this because they serialize discards?
> 
> I think, that we never had bugs, so we of course can wait.
> 
>>
>> There’s also something Kevin wrote on IRC a couple of weeks ago, for 
>> which I had hoped he’d sent an email but I don’t think he did, so I’ll 
>> try to remember and paraphrase as well as I can...
>>
>> He basically asked whether it wouldn’t be conceptually simpler to take 
>> a reference to some cluster in get_cluster_offset() and later release 
>> it with a to-be-added put_cluster_offset().
>>
>> He also noted that reading is problematic, too, because if you read a 
>> discarded and reused cluster, this might result in an information leak 
>> (some guest application might be able to read data it isn’t allowed to 
>> read); that’s why making get_cluster_offset() the point of locking 
>> clusters against discarding would be better.
> 
> Yes, I thought about read too, (RFCed in cover letter of [PATCH v5 0/6] 
> qcow2: fix parallel rewrite and discard (lockless))
> 
>>
>> This would probably work with both of your solutions.  For the 
>> in-memory solutions, you’d take a refcount to an actual cluster; in 
>> the CoRwLock solution, you’d take that lock.
>>
>> What do you think?
>>
> 
> Hmm. What do you mean? Just rename my qcow2_inflight_writes_inc() and 
> qcow2_inflight_writes_dec() to 
> get_cluster_offset()/put_cluster_offset(), to make it more native to use 
> for read operations as well?

Hm.  Our discussion wasn’t so detailed.

I interpreted it to mean all qcow2 functions that find an offset to a 
qcow2 cluster, namely qcow2_get_host_offset(), 
qcow2_alloc_host_offset(), and qcow2_alloc_compressed_cluster_offset().

When those functions return an offset (in)to some cluster, that cluster 
(or the image as a whole) should be locked against discards.  Every 
offset received this way would require an accompanying 
qcow2_put_host_offset().

> Or to update any kind of "getting cluster offset" in the whole qcow2 
> driver to take a kind of "dynamic reference count" by 
> get_cluster_offset() and then call corresponding put() somewhere? In 
> this case I'm afraid it's a lot more work..

Hm, really?  I would have assumed we need to do some locking in all 
functions that get a cluster offset this way, so it should be less work 
to take the lock in the functions they invoke to get the offset.

> It would be also the problem 
> that a lot of paths in qcow2 are not in coroutine and don't even take 
> s->lock when they actually should.

I’m not sure what you mean here, because all functions that invoke any 
of the three functions I listed above are coroutine_fns (or, well, I 
didn’t look it up, but they all have *_co_* in their name).

> This will also mean that we do same 
> job as normal qcow2 refcounts already do: no sense in keeping additional 
> "dynamic refcount" for L2 table cluster while reading it, as we already 
> have non-zero qcow2 normal refcount for it..

I’m afraid I don’t understand how normal refcounts relate to this.  For 
example, qcow2_get_host_offset() doesn’t touch refcounts at all.

Max



  reply	other threads:[~2021-03-30 12:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 12+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-03-19 10:08 [PATCH v4 0/3] qcow2: fix parallel rewrite and discard (rw-lock) Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2021-03-19 10:08 ` [PATCH v4 1/3] qemu-io: add aio_discard Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2021-03-19 10:08 ` [PATCH v4 2/3] iotests: add qcow2-discard-during-rewrite Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2021-03-19 10:08 ` [PATCH v4 3/3] block/qcow2: introduce discard_rw_lock: fix discarding host clusters Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2021-03-25 19:12 ` [PATCH v4 for-6.0? 0/3] qcow2: fix parallel rewrite and discard (rw-lock) Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2021-03-30  9:49   ` Max Reitz
2021-03-30 10:51     ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2021-03-30 12:51       ` Max Reitz [this message]
2021-03-30 13:25         ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2021-03-30 16:39           ` Max Reitz
2021-03-30 18:33             ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2021-03-31  6:23             ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy

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