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From: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
To: "Xiaoyao Li" <xiaoyao.li@intel.com>,
	"Paolo Bonzini" <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	"Igor Mammedov" <imammedo@redhat.com>,
	"Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
	"Marcel Apfelbaum" <marcel.apfelbaum@gmail.com>,
	"Richard Henderson" <richard.henderson@linaro.org>,
	"Peter Xu" <peterx@redhat.com>,
	"Philippe Mathieu-Daudé" <philmd@linaro.org>,
	"Cornelia Huck" <cohuck@redhat.com>,
	"Daniel P. Berrangé" <berrange@redhat.com>,
	"Eric Blake" <eblake@redhat.com>,
	"Markus Armbruster" <armbru@redhat.com>,
	"Marcelo Tosatti" <mtosatti@redhat.com>
Cc: qemu-devel@nongnu.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org,
	Michael Roth <michael.roth@amd.com>,
	isaku.yamahata@gmail.com, Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>,
	Claudio Fontana <cfontana@suse.de>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v2 00/21] QEMU gmem implemention
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2023 10:59:38 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <822f80df-9bde-3d98-8fd2-44895cee08aa@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <a8cf6824-4228-8de5-0727-96ea6c5bad36@intel.com>

>>>
>>> This version still leave some opens to be discussed:
>>> 1. whether we need "private" propery to be user-settable?
>>>
>>>      It seems unnecessary because vm-type is determined. If the VM is
>>>      confidential-guest, then the RAM of the guest must be able to be
>>>      mapped as private, i.e., have kvm gmem backend. So QEMU can
>>>      determine the value of "private" property automatiacally based on vm
>>>      type.
>>>
>>>      This also aligns with the board internal MemoryRegion that needs to
>>>      have kvm gmem backend, e.g., TDX requires OVMF to act as private
>>>      memory so bios memory region needs to have kvm gmem fd associated.
>>>      QEMU no doubt will do it internally automatically.
>>
>> Would it make sense to have some regions without "pivate" semantics?
>> Like NVDIMMs?
> 
> Of course it can have regions without "private" semantics.

I meant "RAM memory regions on such a special VM". Does it make sense to 
have !private there? I assume "for now, not".

>>>
>>> 2. hugepage support.
>>>
>>>      KVM gmem can be allocated from hugetlbfs. How does QEMU determine
>>>      when to allocate KVM gmem with KVM_GUEST_MEMFD_ALLOW_HUGEPAGE. The
>>>      easiest solution is create KVM gmem with
>>> KVM_GUEST_MEMFD_ALLOW_HUGEPAGE
>>>      only when memory backend is HostMemoryBackendFile of hugetlbfs.
>>
>> Good question.
>>
>> Probably "if the memory backend uses huge pages, also use huge pages for
>> the private gmem" makes sense.
>>
>> ... but it becomes a mess with preallocation ... which is what people
>> should actually be using with hugetlb. Andeventual double
>> memory-consumption ... but maybe that's all been taken care of already?
>>
>> Probably it's best to leave hugetlb support as future work and start
>> with something minimal.
>>
> 
> As Sean replied, I had some misunderstanding of
> KVM_GUEST_MEMFD_ALLOW_HUGEPAGE. If it's for THP, I think we can allow it
> for every gmem.

Right, just like we do a MADV_HUGEPAGE rather blindly on all memory.

-- 
Cheers,

David / dhildenb



      reply	other threads:[~2023-09-21  9:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-09-14  3:50 [RFC PATCH v2 00/21] QEMU gmem implemention Xiaoyao Li
2023-09-14  3:50 ` [RFC PATCH v2 01/21] *** HACK *** linux-headers: Update headers to pull in gmem APIs Xiaoyao Li
2023-09-14  3:50 ` [RFC PATCH v2 02/21] RAMBlock: Add support of KVM private gmem Xiaoyao Li
2023-09-15  2:04   ` Wang, Lei
2023-09-15  3:45     ` Xiaoyao Li
2023-09-21  8:55   ` David Hildenbrand
2023-09-22  0:22     ` Xiaoyao Li
2023-09-22  7:08       ` David Hildenbrand
2023-10-08  2:59         ` Xiaoyao Li
2023-10-06 11:07   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-09-14  3:50 ` [RFC PATCH v2 03/21] HostMem: Add private property and associate it with RAM_KVM_GMEM Xiaoyao Li
2023-09-19  9:46   ` Markus Armbruster
2023-09-19 23:24     ` Xiaoyao Li
2023-09-20  7:30       ` Markus Armbruster
2023-09-20 14:35         ` Xiaoyao Li
2023-09-20 14:37           ` David Hildenbrand
2023-09-20 15:42             ` Markus Armbruster
2023-09-21  8:38               ` Xiaoyao Li
2023-09-21  8:45                 ` David Hildenbrand
2023-09-14  3:51 ` [RFC PATCH v2 04/21] memory: Introduce memory_region_has_gmem_fd() Xiaoyao Li
2023-09-21  8:46   ` David Hildenbrand
2023-09-22  0:22     ` Xiaoyao Li
2023-09-14  3:51 ` [RFC PATCH v2 05/21] kvm: Enable KVM_SET_USER_MEMORY_REGION2 for memslot Xiaoyao Li
2023-09-21  8:56   ` David Hildenbrand
2023-09-22  0:23     ` Xiaoyao Li
2023-09-14  3:51 ` [RFC PATCH v2 06/21] i386: Add support for sw-protected-vm object Xiaoyao Li
2023-09-14  3:51 ` [RFC PATCH v2 07/21] i386/pc: Drop pc_machine_kvm_type() Xiaoyao Li
2023-09-21  8:51   ` David Hildenbrand
2023-09-22  0:24     ` Xiaoyao Li
2023-09-22  7:11       ` David Hildenbrand
2023-09-23  7:32   ` David Woodhouse
2023-09-14  3:51 ` [RFC PATCH v2 08/21] target/i386: Implement mc->kvm_type() to get VM type Xiaoyao Li
2023-09-14  3:51 ` [RFC PATCH v2 09/21] target/i386: Introduce kvm_confidential_guest_init() Xiaoyao Li
2023-09-14  3:51 ` [RFC PATCH v2 10/21] i386/kvm: Implement kvm_sw_protected_vm_init() for sw-protcted-vm specific functions Xiaoyao Li
2023-09-14  3:51 ` [RFC PATCH v2 11/21] kvm: Introduce support for memory_attributes Xiaoyao Li
2023-09-14  3:51 ` [RFC PATCH v2 12/21] kvm/memory: Introduce the infrastructure to set the default shared/private value Xiaoyao Li
2023-09-14  3:51 ` [RFC PATCH v2 13/21] i386/kvm: Set memory to default private for KVM_X86_SW_PROTECTED_VM Xiaoyao Li
2023-09-14  3:51 ` [RFC PATCH v2 14/21] physmem: replace function name with __func__ in ram_block_discard_range() Xiaoyao Li
2023-09-14  3:51 ` [RFC PATCH v2 15/21] physmem: extract ram_block_discard_range_fd() from ram_block_discard_range() Xiaoyao Li
2023-09-14  3:51 ` [RFC PATCH v2 16/21] physmem: Introduce ram_block_convert_range() Xiaoyao Li
2023-09-14  3:51 ` [RFC PATCH v2 17/21] kvm: handle KVM_EXIT_MEMORY_FAULT Xiaoyao Li
2023-09-14  3:51 ` [RFC PATCH v2 18/21] trace/kvm: Add trace for page convertion between shared and private Xiaoyao Li
2023-09-14  3:51 ` [RFC PATCH v2 19/21] pci-host/q35: Move PAM initialization above SMRAM initialization Xiaoyao Li
2023-09-14  3:51 ` [RFC PATCH v2 20/21] q35: Introduce smm_ranges property for q35-pci-host Xiaoyao Li
2023-09-14  3:51 ` [RFC PATCH v2 21/21] i386: Disable SMM mode for X86_SW_PROTECTED_VM Xiaoyao Li
2023-09-14 13:09 ` [RFC PATCH v2 00/21] QEMU gmem implemention David Hildenbrand
2023-09-15  1:10   ` Sean Christopherson
2023-09-21  9:11     ` David Hildenbrand
2023-09-22  7:03       ` Xiaoyao Li
2023-09-22  7:10         ` David Hildenbrand
2023-09-15  3:37   ` Xiaoyao Li
2023-09-21  8:59     ` David Hildenbrand [this message]

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