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From: Jan Kiszka <jan.kiszka@siemens.com>
To: "Warner Losh" <imp@bsdimp.com>, "Jan Lübbe" <jlu@pengutronix.de>
Cc: "Philippe Mathieu-Daudé" <philmd@linaro.org>,
	"Cédric Le Goater" <clg@kaod.org>,
	qemu-devel <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	"Joel Stanley" <joel@jms.id.au>, "Bin Meng" <bmeng.cn@gmail.com>,
	qemu-block@nongnu.org,
	"Ilias Apalodimas" <ilias.apalodimas@linaro.org>,
	qemu-arm <qemu-arm@nongnu.org>,
	"Alistair Francis" <alistair@alistair23.me>,
	"Alexander Bulekov" <alxndr@bu.edu>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 1/8] hw/sd/sdcard: Fix size check for backing block image
Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2025 19:18:02 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <85b059c1-4a08-447b-a908-8af6b22d06c3@siemens.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CANCZdfprQZTVskt-EPgT-ALMO3HU-akdcw+yZ5=9Cmu1F00etQ@mail.gmail.com>

On 02.09.25 19:07, Warner Losh wrote:
> 
> 
> On Tue, Sep 2, 2025 at 10:49 AM Jan Lübbe <jlu@pengutronix.de
> <mailto:jlu@pengutronix.de>> wrote:
> 
>     On Tue, 2025-09-02 at 18:39 +0200, Jan Kiszka wrote:
>     > > > I expect us to be safe and able to deal with non-pow2 regions
>     if we use
>     > > > QEMUSGList from the "system/dma.h" API. But this is a rework
>     nobody had
>     > > > time to do so far.
>     > >
>     > > We have to tell two things apart: partitions sizes on the one
>     side and
>     > > backing storage sizes. The partitions sizes are (to my reading)
>     clearly
>     > > defined in the spec, and the user partition (alone!) has to be
>     power of
>     > > 2. The boot and RPMB partitions are multiples of 128K. The sum
>     of them
>     > > all is nowhere limited to power of 2 or even only multiples of 128K.
>     > >
>     >
>     > Re-reading the part of the device capacity, the rules are more
>     complex:
>     >  - power of two up to 2 GB
>     >  - multiple of 512 bytes beyond that
>     >
>     > So that power-of-two enforcement was and still is likely too strict.
> 
> 
> It is. Version 0 (and MMC) cards had the capacity encoded like so:
>                 m = mmc_get_bits(raw_csd, 128, 62, 12);
>                 e = mmc_get_bits(raw_csd, 128, 47, 3);
>                 csd->capacity = ((1 + m) << (e + 2)) * csd->read_bl_len;
> so any card less than 2GB (well, technically 4GB, but 4GB version 0
> cards were
> rare and broke some stacks... I have one and I love it on my embedded
> ARM board
> that can't do version 1 cards). Version 1 cards encoded it like:
>                 csd->capacity = ((uint64_t)mmc_get_bits(raw_csd, 128,
> 48, 22) +
>                     1) * 512 * 1024;
> So it's a multiple of 512k. These are also called 'high capacity' cards.
> 
> Version 4 introduces an extended CSD, which had a pure sector count in
> the EXT CSD. I think this
> is only for MMC cards. And also the partition information.
>  
> 
>     > But I still see no indication, neither in the existing eMMC code
>     of QEMU
>     > nor the spec, that the boot and RPMB partition sizes are included
>     in that.
> 
>     Correct. Non-power-of-two sizes are very common for real eMMCs.
>     Taking a random
>     one from our lab:
>     [    1.220588] mmcblk1: mmc1:0001 S0J56X 14.8 GiB
>     [    1.228055]  mmcblk1: p1 p2 p3 p4
>     [    1.230375] mmcblk1boot0: mmc1:0001 S0J56X 31.5 MiB
>     [    1.233651] mmcblk1boot1: mmc1:0001 S0J56X 31.5 MiB
>     [    1.236682] mmcblk1rpmb: mmc1:0001 S0J56X 4.00 MiB, chardev (244:0)
> 
>     For eMMCs using MLC NAND, you can also configure part of the user
>     data area to
>     be pSLC (pseudo single level cell), which changes the available
>     capacity (after
>     a required power cycle).
> 
> 
> Yes. Extended partitions are a feature of version 4 cards, so don't have
> power-of-2 limits since they are a pure sector count in the ext_csd.
> 

JESD84-B51A (eMMC 5.1A):

"The C_SIZE parameter is used to compute the device capacity for devices
up to 2 GB of density. See 7.4.52, SEC_COUNT [215:212] , for details on
calculating densities greater than 2 GB."

So I would now continue to enforce power-of-2 for 2G (including) cards,
and relax to multiples of 512 for larger ones.

Jan

-- 
Siemens AG, Foundational Technologies
Linux Expert Center


  reply	other threads:[~2025-09-02 17:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 45+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-09-01  5:56 [PATCH v2 0/8] sd: Add RPMB emulation to eMMC model Jan Kiszka
2025-09-01  5:56 ` [PATCH v2 1/8] hw/sd/sdcard: Fix size check for backing block image Jan Kiszka
2025-09-02 15:06   ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2025-09-02 15:34     ` Jan Kiszka
2025-09-02 15:43       ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2025-09-02 15:45         ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2025-09-02 15:47           ` Cédric Le Goater
2025-09-02 15:55             ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2025-09-02 16:00               ` Cédric Le Goater
2025-09-02 16:14                 ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2025-09-02 16:19                   ` Cédric Le Goater
2025-09-02 16:20                   ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2025-09-02 16:24                     ` Jan Kiszka
2025-09-02 16:39                       ` Jan Kiszka
2025-09-02 16:47                         ` Jan Lübbe
2025-09-02 16:52                           ` Jan Kiszka
2025-09-02 17:07                           ` Warner Losh
2025-09-02 17:18                             ` Jan Kiszka [this message]
2025-09-02 17:22                               ` Warner Losh
2025-09-02 17:30                                 ` Warner Losh
2025-09-02 17:37                                   ` Jan Kiszka
2025-09-02 17:48                                     ` Warner Losh
2025-09-02 17:53                                       ` Jan Kiszka
2025-09-02 17:55                                         ` Warner Losh
2025-09-02 17:59                                         ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2025-09-02 18:07                                           ` Warner Losh
2025-09-02 17:20                         ` Warner Losh
2025-09-02 17:39                           ` Jan Kiszka
2025-09-02 17:53                             ` Warner Losh
2025-09-02 15:43       ` Cédric Le Goater
2025-09-02 15:47         ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2025-09-02 15:59       ` Cédric Le Goater
2025-09-01  5:56 ` [PATCH v2 2/8] hw/sd/sdcard: Add validation for boot-partition-size Jan Kiszka
2025-09-01 17:19   ` Alex Bennée
2025-09-01  5:56 ` [PATCH v2 3/8] hw/sd/sdcard: Allow user-instantiated eMMC Jan Kiszka
2025-09-01  5:56 ` [PATCH v2 4/8] hw/sd/sdcard: Refactor sd_bootpart_offset Jan Kiszka
2025-09-01  5:56 ` [PATCH v2 5/8] hw/sd/sdcard: Add basic support for RPMB partition Jan Kiszka
2025-09-01  5:56 ` [PATCH v2 6/8] crypto/hmac: Allow to build hmac over multiple qcrypto_gnutls_hmac_bytes[v] calls Jan Kiszka
2025-09-01  8:55   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2025-09-01  5:56 ` [PATCH v2 7/8] hw/sd/sdcard: Handle RPMB MAC field Jan Kiszka
2025-09-01  5:56 ` [PATCH v2 8/8] scripts: Add helper script to generate eMMC block device images Jan Kiszka
2025-09-01 17:24   ` Alex Bennée
2025-09-01 20:58 ` [PATCH v2 0/8] sd: Add RPMB emulation to eMMC model Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2025-09-02 11:42   ` Jan Kiszka
2025-09-02 13:28     ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé

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