From: Jan Kiszka <jan.kiszka@siemens.com>
To: "Warner Losh" <imp@bsdimp.com>, "Jan Lübbe" <jlu@pengutronix.de>
Cc: "Philippe Mathieu-Daudé" <philmd@linaro.org>,
"Cédric Le Goater" <clg@kaod.org>,
qemu-devel <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
"Joel Stanley" <joel@jms.id.au>, "Bin Meng" <bmeng.cn@gmail.com>,
qemu-block@nongnu.org,
"Ilias Apalodimas" <ilias.apalodimas@linaro.org>,
qemu-arm <qemu-arm@nongnu.org>,
"Alistair Francis" <alistair@alistair23.me>,
"Alexander Bulekov" <alxndr@bu.edu>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 1/8] hw/sd/sdcard: Fix size check for backing block image
Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2025 19:18:02 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <85b059c1-4a08-447b-a908-8af6b22d06c3@siemens.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CANCZdfprQZTVskt-EPgT-ALMO3HU-akdcw+yZ5=9Cmu1F00etQ@mail.gmail.com>
On 02.09.25 19:07, Warner Losh wrote:
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 2, 2025 at 10:49 AM Jan Lübbe <jlu@pengutronix.de
> <mailto:jlu@pengutronix.de>> wrote:
>
> On Tue, 2025-09-02 at 18:39 +0200, Jan Kiszka wrote:
> > > > I expect us to be safe and able to deal with non-pow2 regions
> if we use
> > > > QEMUSGList from the "system/dma.h" API. But this is a rework
> nobody had
> > > > time to do so far.
> > >
> > > We have to tell two things apart: partitions sizes on the one
> side and
> > > backing storage sizes. The partitions sizes are (to my reading)
> clearly
> > > defined in the spec, and the user partition (alone!) has to be
> power of
> > > 2. The boot and RPMB partitions are multiples of 128K. The sum
> of them
> > > all is nowhere limited to power of 2 or even only multiples of 128K.
> > >
> >
> > Re-reading the part of the device capacity, the rules are more
> complex:
> > - power of two up to 2 GB
> > - multiple of 512 bytes beyond that
> >
> > So that power-of-two enforcement was and still is likely too strict.
>
>
> It is. Version 0 (and MMC) cards had the capacity encoded like so:
> m = mmc_get_bits(raw_csd, 128, 62, 12);
> e = mmc_get_bits(raw_csd, 128, 47, 3);
> csd->capacity = ((1 + m) << (e + 2)) * csd->read_bl_len;
> so any card less than 2GB (well, technically 4GB, but 4GB version 0
> cards were
> rare and broke some stacks... I have one and I love it on my embedded
> ARM board
> that can't do version 1 cards). Version 1 cards encoded it like:
> csd->capacity = ((uint64_t)mmc_get_bits(raw_csd, 128,
> 48, 22) +
> 1) * 512 * 1024;
> So it's a multiple of 512k. These are also called 'high capacity' cards.
>
> Version 4 introduces an extended CSD, which had a pure sector count in
> the EXT CSD. I think this
> is only for MMC cards. And also the partition information.
>
>
> > But I still see no indication, neither in the existing eMMC code
> of QEMU
> > nor the spec, that the boot and RPMB partition sizes are included
> in that.
>
> Correct. Non-power-of-two sizes are very common for real eMMCs.
> Taking a random
> one from our lab:
> [ 1.220588] mmcblk1: mmc1:0001 S0J56X 14.8 GiB
> [ 1.228055] mmcblk1: p1 p2 p3 p4
> [ 1.230375] mmcblk1boot0: mmc1:0001 S0J56X 31.5 MiB
> [ 1.233651] mmcblk1boot1: mmc1:0001 S0J56X 31.5 MiB
> [ 1.236682] mmcblk1rpmb: mmc1:0001 S0J56X 4.00 MiB, chardev (244:0)
>
> For eMMCs using MLC NAND, you can also configure part of the user
> data area to
> be pSLC (pseudo single level cell), which changes the available
> capacity (after
> a required power cycle).
>
>
> Yes. Extended partitions are a feature of version 4 cards, so don't have
> power-of-2 limits since they are a pure sector count in the ext_csd.
>
JESD84-B51A (eMMC 5.1A):
"The C_SIZE parameter is used to compute the device capacity for devices
up to 2 GB of density. See 7.4.52, SEC_COUNT [215:212] , for details on
calculating densities greater than 2 GB."
So I would now continue to enforce power-of-2 for 2G (including) cards,
and relax to multiples of 512 for larger ones.
Jan
--
Siemens AG, Foundational Technologies
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-09-02 17:19 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 45+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-09-01 5:56 [PATCH v2 0/8] sd: Add RPMB emulation to eMMC model Jan Kiszka
2025-09-01 5:56 ` [PATCH v2 1/8] hw/sd/sdcard: Fix size check for backing block image Jan Kiszka
2025-09-02 15:06 ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2025-09-02 15:34 ` Jan Kiszka
2025-09-02 15:43 ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2025-09-02 15:45 ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2025-09-02 15:47 ` Cédric Le Goater
2025-09-02 15:55 ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2025-09-02 16:00 ` Cédric Le Goater
2025-09-02 16:14 ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2025-09-02 16:19 ` Cédric Le Goater
2025-09-02 16:20 ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2025-09-02 16:24 ` Jan Kiszka
2025-09-02 16:39 ` Jan Kiszka
2025-09-02 16:47 ` Jan Lübbe
2025-09-02 16:52 ` Jan Kiszka
2025-09-02 17:07 ` Warner Losh
2025-09-02 17:18 ` Jan Kiszka [this message]
2025-09-02 17:22 ` Warner Losh
2025-09-02 17:30 ` Warner Losh
2025-09-02 17:37 ` Jan Kiszka
2025-09-02 17:48 ` Warner Losh
2025-09-02 17:53 ` Jan Kiszka
2025-09-02 17:55 ` Warner Losh
2025-09-02 17:59 ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2025-09-02 18:07 ` Warner Losh
2025-09-02 17:20 ` Warner Losh
2025-09-02 17:39 ` Jan Kiszka
2025-09-02 17:53 ` Warner Losh
2025-09-02 15:43 ` Cédric Le Goater
2025-09-02 15:47 ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2025-09-02 15:59 ` Cédric Le Goater
2025-09-01 5:56 ` [PATCH v2 2/8] hw/sd/sdcard: Add validation for boot-partition-size Jan Kiszka
2025-09-01 17:19 ` Alex Bennée
2025-09-01 5:56 ` [PATCH v2 3/8] hw/sd/sdcard: Allow user-instantiated eMMC Jan Kiszka
2025-09-01 5:56 ` [PATCH v2 4/8] hw/sd/sdcard: Refactor sd_bootpart_offset Jan Kiszka
2025-09-01 5:56 ` [PATCH v2 5/8] hw/sd/sdcard: Add basic support for RPMB partition Jan Kiszka
2025-09-01 5:56 ` [PATCH v2 6/8] crypto/hmac: Allow to build hmac over multiple qcrypto_gnutls_hmac_bytes[v] calls Jan Kiszka
2025-09-01 8:55 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2025-09-01 5:56 ` [PATCH v2 7/8] hw/sd/sdcard: Handle RPMB MAC field Jan Kiszka
2025-09-01 5:56 ` [PATCH v2 8/8] scripts: Add helper script to generate eMMC block device images Jan Kiszka
2025-09-01 17:24 ` Alex Bennée
2025-09-01 20:58 ` [PATCH v2 0/8] sd: Add RPMB emulation to eMMC model Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2025-09-02 11:42 ` Jan Kiszka
2025-09-02 13:28 ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
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