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From: Fabiano Rosas <farosas@suse.de>
To: "Daniel P. Berrangé" <berrange@redhat.com>, qemu-devel@nongnu.org
Cc: "Paolo Bonzini" <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	"Daniel P. Berrangé" <berrange@redhat.com>,
	"Peter Xu" <peterx@redhat.com>,
	"Philippe Mathieu-Daudé" <philmd@linaro.org>,
	"Marc-André Lureau" <marcandre.lureau@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/4] migration: workaround GNUTLS live migration crashes
Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2025 11:56:09 -0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <871pq9lhiu.fsf@suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250718150514.2635338-1-berrange@redhat.com>

Daniel P. Berrangé <berrange@redhat.com> writes:

> TL:DR: GNUTLS is liable to crash QEMU when live migration is run
> with TLS enabled and a return path channel is present, if approx
> 64 GB of data is transferred. This is easily triggered in a 16 GB
> VM with 4 CPUs, by running 'stress-ng --vm 4 --vm-bytes 80%' to
> prevent convergance until 64 GB of RAM has been copied. Then
> triggering post-copy switchover, or removing the stress workload
> to allow completion, will crash it.
>
> The only live migration scenario that should avoid this danger
> is multifd, since the high volume data transfers are handled in
> dedicated TCP connections which are unidirectional. The main
> bi-directionl TCP connection is only for co-ordination purposes
>
> This patch implements a workaround that will prevent future QEMU
> versions from triggering the crash.
>
> The only way to avoid the crash with *existing* running QEMU
> processes is to change the TLS cipher priority string to avoid
> use of AES with TLS 1.3. This can be done with the 'priority'
> field in the 'tls-creds-x509' object.eg
>
>   -object tls-creds-x509,id=tls0,priority=NORMAL:-AES-256-GCM:-AES-128-GCM:-AES-128-CCM
>
> which should force the use of CHACHA20-POLY1305 which does not
> require TLS re-keying after 16 million sent records (64 GB of
> migration data).
>
>   https://gitlab.com/qemu-project/qemu/-/issues/1937
>
> On RHEL/Fedora distros you can also use the system wide crypto
> priorities to override this from the migration *target* host
> by creating /etc/crypto-policies/local.d/gnutls-qemu.config
> containing
>
>   QEMU=NONE:+ECDHE-RSA:+ECDHE-ECDSA:+RSA:+DHE-RSA:+GROUP-X25519:+GROUP-X448:+GROUP-SECP256R1:+GROUP-SECP384R1:+GROUP-SECP521R1:+GROUP-FF
>
> and running 'update-crypto-policies'. I recommend the QEMU
> level 'tls-creds-x509' workaround though, which new libvirt
> patches can soon do:
>
>   https://lists.libvirt.org/archives/list/devel@lists.libvirt.org/thread/LX5KMIUFZSP5DPUXKJDFYBZI5TIE3E5N/
>
> Daniel P. Berrangé (4):
>   crypto: implement workaround for GNUTLS thread safety problems
>   io: add support for activating TLS thread safety workaround
>   migration: activate TLS thread safety workaround
>   crypto: add tracing & warning about GNUTLS countermeasures
>
>  crypto/tlssession.c           | 99 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++--
>  crypto/trace-events           |  2 +
>  include/crypto/tlssession.h   | 14 +++++
>  include/io/channel.h          |  1 +
>  io/channel-tls.c              |  5 ++
>  meson.build                   |  9 ++++
>  meson_options.txt             |  2 +
>  migration/tls.c               |  9 ++++
>  scripts/meson-buildoptions.sh |  5 ++
>  9 files changed, 143 insertions(+), 3 deletions(-)

Hi, thank you for getting to the bottom of this.

Do you think it would be too cumbersome to add a test for this
somewhere? So we don't regress the workaround but also so the test tells
us whether GNUTLS is fixed.


  parent reply	other threads:[~2025-07-21 14:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-07-18 15:05 [PATCH 0/4] migration: workaround GNUTLS live migration crashes Daniel P. Berrangé
2025-07-18 15:05 ` [PATCH 1/4] crypto: implement workaround for GNUTLS thread safety problems Daniel P. Berrangé
2025-07-21 14:52   ` Fabiano Rosas
2025-07-21 19:19   ` Fabiano Rosas
2025-07-18 15:05 ` [PATCH 2/4] io: add support for activating TLS thread safety workaround Daniel P. Berrangé
2025-07-21 14:52   ` Fabiano Rosas
2025-07-18 15:05 ` [PATCH 3/4] migration: activate " Daniel P. Berrangé
2025-07-21 14:52   ` Fabiano Rosas
2025-07-18 15:05 ` [PATCH 4/4] crypto: add tracing & warning about GNUTLS countermeasures Daniel P. Berrangé
2025-07-21 14:52   ` Fabiano Rosas
2025-07-21 19:32   ` Fabiano Rosas
2025-07-21 14:56 ` Fabiano Rosas [this message]
2025-07-21 15:03   ` [PATCH 0/4] migration: workaround GNUTLS live migration crashes Daniel P. Berrangé
2025-07-21 15:14     ` Fabiano Rosas
2025-07-21 15:28       ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2025-07-26  6:24 ` Michael Tokarev
2025-07-28  9:04   ` Daniel P. Berrangé

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