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From: "Lluís Vilanova" <vilanova@ac.upc.edu>
To: Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@redhat.com>
Cc: Peter Maydell <peter.maydell@linaro.org>,
	Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@gmail.com>,
	"Emilio G. Cota" <cota@braap.org>,
	QEMU Developers <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 00/13] instrument: Add basic event instrumentation
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2017 15:44:39 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <871sp34bbc.fsf@frigg.lan> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170726112210.GD18489@stefanha-x1.localdomain> (Stefan Hajnoczi's message of "Wed, 26 Jul 2017 12:22:10 +0100")

Stefan Hajnoczi writes:

> On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 06:11:43PM +0300, Lluís Vilanova wrote:
>> Peter Maydell writes:
>> 
>> > On 25 July 2017 at 14:19, Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> Instead I suggest adding a trace backend generates calls to registered
>> >> "callback" functions:
>> >> 
>> >> $ cat >my-instrumentation.c
>> >> #include "trace/control.h"
>> >> 
>> >> static void my_cpu_in(unsigned int addr, char size, unsigned int val)
>> >> {
>> >> printf("my_cpu_in\n");
>> >> }
>> >> 
>> >> static void my_init(void)
>> >> {
>> >> trace_register_event_callback("cpu_in", my_cpu_in);
>> >> trace_enable_events("cpu_in");
>> >> }
>> >> trace_init(my_init);
>> >> 
>> >> $ ./configure --enable-trace-backends=log,callback && make -j4
>> >> 
>> >> This is still a clean interface that allows instrumentation code to be
>> >> kept separate from the trace event call sites.
>> >> 
>> >> The instrumentation code gets compiled into QEMU, but that shouldn't be
>> >> a huge burden since QEMU's Makefiles only recompile changed source
>> >> files (only the first build is slow).
>> 
>> > Is your proposal that my-instrumentation.c gets compiled into
>> > QEMU at this point? That doesn't seem like a great idea to
>> > me, because it means you can only use this tracing if you
>> > build QEMU yourself, and distros won't enable it and so
>> > lots of our users won't have convenient access to it.
>> > I'd much rather see a cleanly designed plugin interface
>> > (which we should be able to implement in a manner that doesn't
>> > let the plugin monkey patch arbitrary parts of QEMU beyond
>> > what can already be achieved via LD_PRELOAD).
>> 
>> Just to be clear, what do you both mean by monkey-patching?
>> 
>> * Accessing unintended symbols in QEMU from the library (and from there
>> modifying QEMU's behavior).
>> * QEMU using symbols on the library instead of its own just because they have
>> the same name.
>> 
>> As I said, the former can be accomplished by compiling QEMU with
>> "-fvisibility=hidden".
>> 
>> The latter is already achieved by using dlopen with RTLD_LOCAL (the default).

> Instrumentation functions are invoked in the same memory space as QEMU,
> so pointer arguments can be modified.

> Think of all the void *s arguments we trace.  Instrumentation code can
> access those structs, hijack function pointers, etc.  No symbols are
> required.

And why exactly is this a threat? Because it can be used to "extend" QEMU
without touching its sources? Is this a realistic threat? (it's a rather brittle
way to do it, so I'm not sure it's practical)

If that's the case, forcing instrumentation libraries to be exclusively GPL
seems like a solution to me, just as GPL protects QEMU itself.

Do we agree on that? Or did I miss something else?

As a side note, I find instrumentation to be most useful for guest code events,
which mostly contain non-pointer values (except for the CPUState*).


Cheers,
  Lluis

  reply	other threads:[~2017-07-26 12:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 59+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-07-24 17:02 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 00/13] instrument: Add basic event instrumentation Lluís Vilanova
2017-07-24 17:06 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 01/13] instrument: Add documentation Lluís Vilanova
2017-07-24 17:10 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 02/13] instrument: [none] Add null instrumentation mode Lluís Vilanova
2017-07-24 17:14 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 03/13] instrument: [dynamic] Add dynamic " Lluís Vilanova
2017-07-24 17:18 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 04/13] instrument: Allow adding the "instrument" property without modifying event files Lluís Vilanova
2017-07-24 17:22 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 05/13] instrument: [dynamic] Add default public per-event functions Lluís Vilanova
2017-07-24 17:26 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 06/13] instrument: Add event control interface Lluís Vilanova
2017-07-24 17:30 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 07/13] instrument: Add generic command line library loader Lluís Vilanova
2017-07-24 17:34 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 08/13] instrument: [linux-user] Add " Lluís Vilanova
2017-07-24 17:38 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 09/13] instrument: [bsd-user] " Lluís Vilanova
2017-07-24 17:42 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 10/13] instrument: [softmmu] " Lluís Vilanova
2017-07-24 17:46 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 11/13] instrument: [qapi] Add " Lluís Vilanova
2017-07-24 18:03   ` Eric Blake
2017-07-25  8:24     ` Lluís Vilanova
2017-07-25 11:30       ` Eric Blake
2017-07-25 11:51         ` Lluís Vilanova
2017-07-24 17:50 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 12/13] instrument: [hmp] " Lluís Vilanova
2017-07-24 17:54 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 13/13] trace: Rename C++-specific names in event arguments Lluís Vilanova
2017-07-25 13:19 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 00/13] instrument: Add basic event instrumentation Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-07-25 13:30   ` Peter Maydell
2017-07-25 15:11     ` Lluís Vilanova
2017-07-26 11:22       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-07-26 12:44         ` Lluís Vilanova [this message]
2017-07-27 10:32           ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-07-27 10:40             ` Peter Maydell
2017-07-28 13:42               ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-07-28 16:21                 ` Lluís Vilanova
2017-08-02 11:04                   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-07-26 11:26     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-07-26 11:49       ` Peter Maydell
2017-07-26 12:26         ` Lluís Vilanova
2017-07-27 10:43         ` Daniel P. Berrange
2017-07-27 10:54           ` Peter Maydell
2017-07-27 14:58             ` Lluís Vilanova
2017-07-27 15:21             ` Daniel P. Berrange
2017-07-27 15:33               ` Peter Maydell
2017-07-27 15:45                 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2017-07-28 13:34                   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-07-28 13:41                     ` Peter Maydell
2017-07-28 14:06                       ` Daniel P. Berrange
2017-07-28 16:05                         ` Lluís Vilanova
2017-08-01 13:48                           ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-08-01 13:54                             ` Peter Maydell
2017-08-02 11:04                               ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-08-02 11:10                                 ` Peter Maydell
2017-08-02 14:49                                   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-08-02 15:19                                     ` Lluís Vilanova
2017-08-03 11:54                                       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-08-26  0:14                                         ` Emilio G. Cota
2017-08-26  0:02                           ` Emilio G. Cota
2017-08-29  9:19                             ` Peter Maydell
2017-07-28 13:52                     ` Daniel P. Berrange
2017-07-28 16:14                       ` Lluís Vilanova
2017-08-01 13:13                         ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-07-28 15:10                     ` Lluís Vilanova
2017-07-27 19:55               ` Lluís Vilanova
2017-07-25 14:47   ` Lluís Vilanova
2017-07-26 11:29     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-07-26 12:31       ` Lluís Vilanova

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