From: "Lluís Vilanova" <vilanova@ac.upc.edu>
To: Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@redhat.com>
Cc: Peter Maydell <peter.maydell@linaro.org>,
Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@gmail.com>,
"Emilio G. Cota" <cota@braap.org>,
QEMU Developers <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 00/13] instrument: Add basic event instrumentation
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2017 15:44:39 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <871sp34bbc.fsf@frigg.lan> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170726112210.GD18489@stefanha-x1.localdomain> (Stefan Hajnoczi's message of "Wed, 26 Jul 2017 12:22:10 +0100")
Stefan Hajnoczi writes:
> On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 06:11:43PM +0300, Lluís Vilanova wrote:
>> Peter Maydell writes:
>>
>> > On 25 July 2017 at 14:19, Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> Instead I suggest adding a trace backend generates calls to registered
>> >> "callback" functions:
>> >>
>> >> $ cat >my-instrumentation.c
>> >> #include "trace/control.h"
>> >>
>> >> static void my_cpu_in(unsigned int addr, char size, unsigned int val)
>> >> {
>> >> printf("my_cpu_in\n");
>> >> }
>> >>
>> >> static void my_init(void)
>> >> {
>> >> trace_register_event_callback("cpu_in", my_cpu_in);
>> >> trace_enable_events("cpu_in");
>> >> }
>> >> trace_init(my_init);
>> >>
>> >> $ ./configure --enable-trace-backends=log,callback && make -j4
>> >>
>> >> This is still a clean interface that allows instrumentation code to be
>> >> kept separate from the trace event call sites.
>> >>
>> >> The instrumentation code gets compiled into QEMU, but that shouldn't be
>> >> a huge burden since QEMU's Makefiles only recompile changed source
>> >> files (only the first build is slow).
>>
>> > Is your proposal that my-instrumentation.c gets compiled into
>> > QEMU at this point? That doesn't seem like a great idea to
>> > me, because it means you can only use this tracing if you
>> > build QEMU yourself, and distros won't enable it and so
>> > lots of our users won't have convenient access to it.
>> > I'd much rather see a cleanly designed plugin interface
>> > (which we should be able to implement in a manner that doesn't
>> > let the plugin monkey patch arbitrary parts of QEMU beyond
>> > what can already be achieved via LD_PRELOAD).
>>
>> Just to be clear, what do you both mean by monkey-patching?
>>
>> * Accessing unintended symbols in QEMU from the library (and from there
>> modifying QEMU's behavior).
>> * QEMU using symbols on the library instead of its own just because they have
>> the same name.
>>
>> As I said, the former can be accomplished by compiling QEMU with
>> "-fvisibility=hidden".
>>
>> The latter is already achieved by using dlopen with RTLD_LOCAL (the default).
> Instrumentation functions are invoked in the same memory space as QEMU,
> so pointer arguments can be modified.
> Think of all the void *s arguments we trace. Instrumentation code can
> access those structs, hijack function pointers, etc. No symbols are
> required.
And why exactly is this a threat? Because it can be used to "extend" QEMU
without touching its sources? Is this a realistic threat? (it's a rather brittle
way to do it, so I'm not sure it's practical)
If that's the case, forcing instrumentation libraries to be exclusively GPL
seems like a solution to me, just as GPL protects QEMU itself.
Do we agree on that? Or did I miss something else?
As a side note, I find instrumentation to be most useful for guest code events,
which mostly contain non-pointer values (except for the CPUState*).
Cheers,
Lluis
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2017-07-26 12:44 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 59+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2017-07-24 17:02 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 00/13] instrument: Add basic event instrumentation Lluís Vilanova
2017-07-24 17:06 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 01/13] instrument: Add documentation Lluís Vilanova
2017-07-24 17:10 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 02/13] instrument: [none] Add null instrumentation mode Lluís Vilanova
2017-07-24 17:14 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 03/13] instrument: [dynamic] Add dynamic " Lluís Vilanova
2017-07-24 17:18 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 04/13] instrument: Allow adding the "instrument" property without modifying event files Lluís Vilanova
2017-07-24 17:22 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 05/13] instrument: [dynamic] Add default public per-event functions Lluís Vilanova
2017-07-24 17:26 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 06/13] instrument: Add event control interface Lluís Vilanova
2017-07-24 17:30 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 07/13] instrument: Add generic command line library loader Lluís Vilanova
2017-07-24 17:34 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 08/13] instrument: [linux-user] Add " Lluís Vilanova
2017-07-24 17:38 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 09/13] instrument: [bsd-user] " Lluís Vilanova
2017-07-24 17:42 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 10/13] instrument: [softmmu] " Lluís Vilanova
2017-07-24 17:46 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 11/13] instrument: [qapi] Add " Lluís Vilanova
2017-07-24 18:03 ` Eric Blake
2017-07-25 8:24 ` Lluís Vilanova
2017-07-25 11:30 ` Eric Blake
2017-07-25 11:51 ` Lluís Vilanova
2017-07-24 17:50 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 12/13] instrument: [hmp] " Lluís Vilanova
2017-07-24 17:54 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 13/13] trace: Rename C++-specific names in event arguments Lluís Vilanova
2017-07-25 13:19 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 00/13] instrument: Add basic event instrumentation Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-07-25 13:30 ` Peter Maydell
2017-07-25 15:11 ` Lluís Vilanova
2017-07-26 11:22 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-07-26 12:44 ` Lluís Vilanova [this message]
2017-07-27 10:32 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-07-27 10:40 ` Peter Maydell
2017-07-28 13:42 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-07-28 16:21 ` Lluís Vilanova
2017-08-02 11:04 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-07-26 11:26 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-07-26 11:49 ` Peter Maydell
2017-07-26 12:26 ` Lluís Vilanova
2017-07-27 10:43 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2017-07-27 10:54 ` Peter Maydell
2017-07-27 14:58 ` Lluís Vilanova
2017-07-27 15:21 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2017-07-27 15:33 ` Peter Maydell
2017-07-27 15:45 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2017-07-28 13:34 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-07-28 13:41 ` Peter Maydell
2017-07-28 14:06 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2017-07-28 16:05 ` Lluís Vilanova
2017-08-01 13:48 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-08-01 13:54 ` Peter Maydell
2017-08-02 11:04 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-08-02 11:10 ` Peter Maydell
2017-08-02 14:49 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-08-02 15:19 ` Lluís Vilanova
2017-08-03 11:54 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-08-26 0:14 ` Emilio G. Cota
2017-08-26 0:02 ` Emilio G. Cota
2017-08-29 9:19 ` Peter Maydell
2017-07-28 13:52 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2017-07-28 16:14 ` Lluís Vilanova
2017-08-01 13:13 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-07-28 15:10 ` Lluís Vilanova
2017-07-27 19:55 ` Lluís Vilanova
2017-07-25 14:47 ` Lluís Vilanova
2017-07-26 11:29 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-07-26 12:31 ` Lluís Vilanova
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