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From: Vitaly Kuznetsov <vkuznets@redhat.com>
To: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
Cc: Richard Henderson <rth@twiddle.net>,
	Eduardo Habkost <ehabkost@redhat.com>,
	Marcelo Tosatti <mtosatti@redhat.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, Roman Kagan <rkagan@virtuozzo.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 2/2] i386/kvm: lower requirements for Hyper-V frequency MSRs exposure
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2018 17:17:38 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87605p768t.fsf@vitty.brq.redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <46c08ea1-27f7-e581-f93f-cf635950062f@redhat.com> (Paolo Bonzini's message of "Wed, 21 Mar 2018 16:33:33 +0100")

Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com> writes:

> On 20/03/2018 18:35, Vitaly Kuznetsov wrote:
>> +        if (has_msr_hv_frequencies && env->tsc_khz) {
>>              env->features[FEAT_HYPERV_EAX] |= HV_ACCESS_FREQUENCY_MSRS;
>>              env->features[FEAT_HYPERV_EDX] |= HV_FREQUENCY_MSRS_AVAILABLE;
>>          }
>
> Since you have added cpu->hyperv_reenlightenment, I'd rather change this
> so that we don't make the "license to change guest ABI across migration"
> apply more.  We can exploit the fact that Windows doesn't even use the
> MSRs unless either invtsc or re-enlightenment is present.  Something
> like this:
>
>        if (has_msr_hv_frequencies && env->tsc_khz &&
> 	   (tsc_is_stable_and_known(env) ||
>             cpu->hyperv_reenlightenment))
>
> will make the MSRs visible in all useful cases, without having to add
> yet another knob.
>

Can be arranged, of course.

(What I'm worried about with all our hv_* knobs is that more of them we
have easier it is to assemble some frankenstien which won't look like
any existing Hyper-V version; we're probably not doing a very good job
tesing all possible hv_* combinations as people probably use 'all or
nothing'. In case we end up finding a bug in Windows with some weird
hv_* combination it's unlikely Microsoft will bother fixing at as it
doesn't reproduce on any existent Hyper-V version.

That said, it would be great to eventually have something like
'hv_ws2012r2' property making us look exactly the same real WS2012R2
looks like. Unfortunatelly, I'm unsure about a path to get there).

> (Don't worry, this backwards-compatibility stuff is the hardest part.
> I'm so happy that Eduardo is the one maintaining it :)).

I feel the pain :-) Thanks for the reviews!

-- 
  Vitaly

  reply	other threads:[~2018-03-21 16:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-03-20 17:34 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 0/2] i386/kvm: TSC page clocksource for Hyper-V-on-KVM fixes Vitaly Kuznetsov
2018-03-20 17:34 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 1/2] i386/kvm: add support for Hyper-V reenlightenment MSRs Vitaly Kuznetsov
2018-03-20 18:32   ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-03-21 11:09     ` Roman Kagan
2018-03-21 13:09     ` Roman Kagan
2018-03-21 11:24   ` Roman Kagan
2018-03-22 17:09   ` Marcelo Tosatti
2018-03-22 17:39     ` Vitaly Kuznetsov
2018-03-20 17:35 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 2/2] i386/kvm: lower requirements for Hyper-V frequency MSRs exposure Vitaly Kuznetsov
2018-03-21 12:10   ` Roman Kagan
2018-03-21 13:18     ` Vitaly Kuznetsov
2018-03-21 16:57       ` Roman Kagan
2018-03-21 20:19         ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-03-22 13:00           ` Roman Kagan
2018-03-22 13:22             ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-03-22 13:58               ` Roman Kagan
2018-03-22 18:38                 ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-03-23  9:45                   ` Roman Kagan
2018-03-23 19:48                     ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-03-26 14:20                       ` Roman Kagan
2018-03-21 15:33   ` Paolo Bonzini
2018-03-21 16:17     ` Vitaly Kuznetsov [this message]
2018-03-21 17:17       ` Roman Kagan
2018-03-21 20:06         ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-03-21 16:47     ` Roman Kagan

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