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From: Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>
To: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
Cc: Gleb Natapov <gleb@redhat.com>,
	Jan Kiszka <jan.kiszka@siemens.com>,
	Michael Roth <mdroth@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	Luiz Capitulino <lcapitulino@redhat.com>,
	Eric Blake <eblake@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] Rethinking missed tick catchup
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 13:27:40 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87627h7p7n.fsf@codemonkey.ws> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <50520189.3050707@redhat.com>

Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com> writes:

> On 09/13/2012 06:50 PM, Anthony Liguori wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> This may not work for really old server oriented guests.
>>>> 
>>>> S3 requires guest cooperation, period.  But so does qemu-ga.  It's
>>>> better than nothing, and we can't get perfection without guest cooperation.
>>>
>>> qemu-ga requires either an admin/tool to install qemu-ga, or for qemu-ga
>>> to be preinstalled by the OS vendor.  S3 requires S3 support to be
>>> provided by the host vendor, and for it to be functional.  A
>>> significantly easier bar to clear.
>> 
>> We can easily generate an ISO that includes a pre-built version of
>> qemu-ga.
>
> We could easily generate water, but we can't make the horse drink it.
>
>> 
>> Plus, there's a whole variety of other features enabled once we can
>> assume qemu-ga is available.  It's worth solving that problem.
>
> We can't assume it.  Too many OSes exist, too many guests are already
> exist and ain't broken, too many vendors are moving into a locked-down
> model.  I agree it's great and we should take advantage of it, but we
> can't assume it's there.

All the same can be said about virtio yet we still add features that
depend on it.

If there was a better/equivalent solution that didn't depend on qemu-ga,
I'd be all for it.  But there isn't AFAICT.

Regards,

Anthony Liguori

>
> -- 
> error compiling committee.c: too many arguments to function

  reply	other threads:[~2012-09-13 18:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 48+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-09-12 13:54 [Qemu-devel] Rethinking missed tick catchup Anthony Liguori
2012-09-12 14:21 ` Jan Kiszka
2012-09-12 14:44   ` Anthony Liguori
2012-09-12 14:50     ` Jan Kiszka
2012-09-12 15:06     ` Gleb Natapov
2012-09-12 15:42       ` Jan Kiszka
2012-09-12 15:45         ` Gleb Natapov
2012-09-12 16:16       ` Gleb Natapov
2012-09-12 15:15 ` Gleb Natapov
2012-09-12 18:19   ` Anthony Liguori
2012-09-13 10:49     ` Gleb Natapov
2012-09-13 13:14       ` Eric Blake
2012-09-13 13:28         ` Daniel P. Berrange
2012-09-13 14:06           ` Anthony Liguori
2012-09-13 14:22             ` Gleb Natapov
2012-09-13 14:34               ` Avi Kivity
2012-09-13 14:42                 ` Eric Blake
2012-09-13 15:40                   ` Avi Kivity
2012-09-13 15:50                     ` Anthony Liguori
2012-09-13 15:53                       ` Avi Kivity
2012-09-13 18:27                         ` Anthony Liguori [this message]
2012-09-16 10:05                           ` Avi Kivity
2012-09-16 14:37                             ` Anthony Liguori
2012-09-19 15:34                               ` Avi Kivity
2012-09-19 16:37                                 ` Gleb Natapov
2012-09-19 16:44                                   ` Avi Kivity
2012-09-19 16:55                                     ` Gleb Natapov
2012-09-19 16:57                                       ` Avi Kivity
2012-09-13 14:35               ` Anthony Liguori
2012-09-13 14:48                 ` Gleb Natapov
2012-09-13 15:51                   ` Avi Kivity
2012-09-13 15:56                   ` Anthony Liguori
2012-09-13 16:06                     ` Gleb Natapov
2012-09-13 18:33                       ` Anthony Liguori
2012-09-13 18:56                         ` Gleb Natapov
2012-09-13 20:06                           ` Anthony Liguori
2012-09-13 16:08                     ` Avi Kivity
2012-09-13 13:47         ` Gleb Natapov
2012-09-12 16:27 ` Stefan Weil
2012-09-12 16:45   ` Gleb Natapov
2012-09-12 17:30     ` Stefan Weil
2012-09-12 18:13       ` Gleb Natapov
2012-09-12 19:45         ` Stefan Weil
2012-09-13 10:50           ` Gleb Natapov
2012-09-12 20:06       ` Michael Roth
2012-09-12 17:23 ` Luiz Capitulino
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2012-09-12 18:03 Clemens Kolbitsch
2012-09-13  6:25 ` Paolo Bonzini

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