From: "Alex Bennée" <alex.bennee@linaro.org>
To: Peter Maydell <peter.maydell@linaro.org>
Cc: "Akihiko Odaki" <akihiko.odaki@daynix.com>,
"BALATON Zoltan" <balaton@eik.bme.hu>,
"Peter Xu" <peterx@redhat.com>,
"Eduardo Habkost" <eduardo@habkost.net>,
"Marcel Apfelbaum" <marcel.apfelbaum@gmail.com>,
"Philippe Mathieu-Daudé" <philmd@linaro.org>,
"Yanan Wang" <wangyanan55@huawei.com>,
"John Snow" <jsnow@redhat.com>,
"Jiaxun Yang" <jiaxun.yang@flygoat.com>,
"Nicholas Piggin" <npiggin@gmail.com>,
"Daniel Henrique Barboza" <danielhb413@gmail.com>,
"David Gibson" <david@gibson.dropbear.id.au>,
"Harsh Prateek Bora" <harshpb@linux.ibm.com>,
"Alexey Kardashevskiy" <aik@ozlabs.ru>,
"Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
"Fabiano Rosas" <farosas@suse.de>,
"Paolo Bonzini" <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
"David Hildenbrand" <david@redhat.com>,
"Thomas Huth" <thuth@redhat.com>,
"Laurent Vivier" <lvivier@redhat.com>,
qemu-devel@nongnu.org, qemu-block@nongnu.org,
qemu-ppc@nongnu.org, devel@daynix.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v7 1/2] memory: Update inline documentation
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2025 14:17:32 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <878qj3zitv.fsf@draig.linaro.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAFEAcA8A97ocOfv72KeSEgFkchmAOfc=GiX8QmvRui5=DDF=qQ@mail.gmail.com> (Peter Maydell's message of "Thu, 28 Aug 2025 11:11:54 +0100")
Peter Maydell <peter.maydell@linaro.org> writes:
> On Fri, 17 Jan 2025 at 06:19, Akihiko Odaki <akihiko.odaki@daynix.com> wrote:
>> Let me explain my and Peter Xu's solutions by listing object references.
>> It will abstract the details away and allow applying the analogy of
>> other reference counting systems like Objective-C.
>>
<snip>
>> "Weak" references
>> -----------------
>>
>> Next, I'll impose the restriction that prevents circular references. To
>> avoid circular references, we'll stop counting references for one
>> direction. In other words, we'll make some references "weak". Weak
>> references are prone to be dangling (in Objective-C or other platforms,
>> such references will be usually replaced with nil-like values).
>
> I'm not sure this is really how we think about the lifetimes
> of these objects, though. In particular, we definitely don't
> ever expect, for instance, the link from a memory region to
> its owner to be dangling.
>
> I think what we actually have is:
> * the thing which really has a reference count is the
> device object
> * this device owns various things (irqs, child objects,
> memory regions, etc)
> * we expect that when we destroy the device that all these
> other things it owns also should be destroyed
> * some parts of the system have free-floating memory regions
> which don't have an owner
> * parts of the code have to deal with both the "MR belonging
> to a device" and the "MR not belonging to a device" case
The virtio-gpu blobs are a special MR which we handle clumsily at the
moment as they are backed by separate thread (virglrenderer) and we need
to jump through hoops (c.f. virtio_gpu_virgl_hostmem_region_free) to
make sure it is done with the memory before we can free the container.
<snip>
--
Alex Bennée
Virtualisation Tech Lead @ Linaro
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-08-28 17:27 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-01-09 5:50 [PATCH v7 0/2] Fix check-qtest-ppc64 sanitizer errors Akihiko Odaki
2025-01-09 5:50 ` [PATCH v7 1/2] memory: Update inline documentation Akihiko Odaki
2025-01-09 12:30 ` BALATON Zoltan
2025-01-09 19:29 ` Peter Xu
2025-01-09 19:37 ` Peter Xu
2025-01-10 8:43 ` Akihiko Odaki
2025-01-10 15:18 ` Peter Xu
2025-01-11 4:15 ` Akihiko Odaki
2025-01-13 15:57 ` Peter Xu
2025-01-14 8:43 ` Akihiko Odaki
2025-01-14 17:02 ` Peter Xu
2025-01-14 17:42 ` Peter Maydell
2025-01-14 19:12 ` Peter Xu
2025-01-16 14:50 ` Peter Maydell
2025-01-16 16:13 ` BALATON Zoltan
2025-01-17 6:19 ` Akihiko Odaki
2025-08-28 10:11 ` Peter Maydell
2025-08-28 13:17 ` Alex Bennée [this message]
2025-08-28 16:10 ` Peter Xu
2025-01-16 16:40 ` Peter Xu
2025-01-15 4:46 ` Akihiko Odaki
2025-01-15 13:43 ` Peter Xu
2025-01-15 14:54 ` Akihiko Odaki
2025-01-15 15:40 ` Peter Xu
2025-01-15 15:52 ` Akihiko Odaki
2025-01-15 16:14 ` Peter Xu
2025-01-16 5:37 ` Akihiko Odaki
2025-01-16 14:33 ` Peter Xu
2025-01-17 6:24 ` Akihiko Odaki
2025-01-17 17:46 ` Peter Xu
2025-01-18 10:15 ` Akihiko Odaki
2025-01-18 12:49 ` Peter Xu
2025-01-09 5:50 ` [PATCH v7 2/2] memory: Do not create circular reference with subregion Akihiko Odaki
2025-01-09 15:55 ` Peter Xu
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