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From: Fabiano Rosas <farosas@suse.de>
To: "Daniel P. Berrangé" <berrange@redhat.com>
Cc: Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, Juan Quintela <quintela@redhat.com>,
	Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com>, Leonardo Bras <leobras@redhat.com>,
	Claudio Fontana <cfontana@suse.de>,
	Eric Blake <eblake@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 28/29] migration: Add direct-io parameter
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2023 10:05:56 -0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <878r7jdjrf.fsf@suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZUDC4aoPZZQAF6JU@redhat.com>

Daniel P. Berrangé <berrange@redhat.com> writes:

> On Mon, Oct 30, 2023 at 07:51:34PM -0300, Fabiano Rosas wrote:
>> I could use some advice on how to solve this situation. The fdset code
>> at monitor/fds.c and the add-fd command don't seem to be usable outside
>> the original use-case of passing fds with different open flags.
>> 
>> There are several problems, the biggest one being that there's no way to
>> manipulate the set of file descriptors aside from asking for duplication
>> of an fd that matches a particular set of flags.
>> 
>> That doesn't work for us because the two fds we need (one for main
>> channel, other for secondary channels) will have the same open flags. So
>> the fdset code will always return the first one it finds in the set.
>
> QEMU may want multiple FDs *internally*, but IMHO that fact should
> not be exposed to mgmt applications. It would be valid for a QEMU
> impl to share the same FD across multiple threads, or have a different
> FD for each thread. All threads are using pread/pwrite, so it is safe
> for them to use the same FD if they desire. It is a private impl choice
> for QEMU at any given point in time and could change over time.
>

Sure, I don't disagree. However up until last week we had a seemingly
usable "add-fd" command that allows the user to provide a *set of file
descriptors* to QEMU. It's just now that we're learning that interface
serves only a special use-case.

> Thus from the POV of the mgmt app, QEMU is writing to a single file, no
> matter how many threads are involved & thus it should only need to supply
> a single FD for thta file. QEMU can then call 'dup()' on that FD as many
> times as it desires, and use fcntl() to toggle O_DIRECT if and when
> it needs to.

Ok, so I think the way to go here is for QEMU to receive a file + offset
instead of an FD. That way QEMU can have adequate control of the
resources for the migration. I don't remember why we went on the FD
tangent. Is it not acceptable for libvirt to provide the file name +
offset?

>> Another problem (or feature) of the fdset code is that it only removes
>> an fd when qmp_remove_fd() is called if the VM runstate is RUNNING,
>> which means that the migration code cannot remove the fds after use
>> reliably. We need to be able to remove them to make sure we use the
>> correct fds in a subsequent migration.
>
> The "easy" option is to just add a new API that does what you want.
> Maybe during review someone will then point out why the orgianl
> API works the way it does.

Hehe so I'll add a qmp_actually_remove_fd() =)


  reply	other threads:[~2023-10-31 13:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 128+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-10-23 20:35 [PATCH v2 00/29] migration: File based migration with multifd and fixed-ram Fabiano Rosas
2023-10-23 20:35 ` [PATCH v2 01/29] tests/qtest: migration events Fabiano Rosas
2023-10-25  9:44   ` Thomas Huth
2023-10-25 10:14   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-10-25 13:21   ` Fabiano Rosas
2023-10-25 13:33     ` Steven Sistare
2023-10-23 20:35 ` [PATCH v2 02/29] tests/qtest: Move QTestMigrationState to libqtest Fabiano Rosas
2023-10-25 10:17   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-10-25 13:19     ` Fabiano Rosas
2023-10-23 20:35 ` [PATCH v2 03/29] tests/qtest: Allow waiting for migration events Fabiano Rosas
2023-10-23 20:35 ` [PATCH v2 04/29] migration: Return the saved state from global_state_store Fabiano Rosas
2023-10-25 10:19   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-10-23 20:35 ` [PATCH v2 05/29] migration: Introduce global_state_store_once Fabiano Rosas
2023-10-23 20:35 ` [PATCH v2 06/29] migration: Add auto-pause capability Fabiano Rosas
2023-10-24  5:25   ` Markus Armbruster
2023-10-24 18:12     ` Fabiano Rosas
2023-10-25  5:33       ` Markus Armbruster
2023-10-25  8:48   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-10-25 13:57     ` Fabiano Rosas
2023-10-25 14:20       ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-10-25 14:58         ` Peter Xu
2023-10-25 15:25           ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-10-25 15:36             ` Peter Xu
2023-10-25 15:40               ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-10-25 17:20                 ` Peter Xu
2023-10-25 17:31                   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-10-25 19:28                     ` Peter Xu
2023-10-23 20:35 ` [PATCH v2 07/29] migration: Run "file:" migration with a stopped VM Fabiano Rosas
2023-10-23 20:35 ` [PATCH v2 08/29] tests/qtest: File migration auto-pause tests Fabiano Rosas
2023-10-23 20:35 ` [PATCH v2 09/29] io: add and implement QIO_CHANNEL_FEATURE_SEEKABLE for channel file Fabiano Rosas
2023-10-23 20:35 ` [PATCH v2 10/29] io: Add generic pwritev/preadv interface Fabiano Rosas
2023-10-24  8:18   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-10-24 19:06     ` Fabiano Rosas
2023-10-23 20:35 ` [PATCH v2 11/29] io: implement io_pwritev/preadv for QIOChannelFile Fabiano Rosas
2023-10-23 20:35 ` [PATCH v2 12/29] migration/qemu-file: add utility methods for working with seekable channels Fabiano Rosas
2023-10-25 10:22   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-10-23 20:35 ` [PATCH v2 13/29] migration: fixed-ram: Add URI compatibility check Fabiano Rosas
2023-10-25 10:27   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-10-31 16:06   ` Peter Xu
2023-10-23 20:35 ` [PATCH v2 14/29] migration/ram: Introduce 'fixed-ram' migration capability Fabiano Rosas
2023-10-24  5:33   ` Markus Armbruster
2023-10-24 18:35     ` Fabiano Rosas
2023-10-25  6:18       ` Markus Armbruster
2023-10-23 20:35 ` [PATCH v2 15/29] migration/ram: Add support for 'fixed-ram' outgoing migration Fabiano Rosas
2023-10-25  9:39   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-10-25 14:03     ` Fabiano Rosas
2023-11-01 15:23     ` Peter Xu
2023-11-01 15:52       ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-11-01 16:24         ` Peter Xu
2023-11-01 16:37           ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-11-01 17:30             ` Peter Xu
2023-10-31 16:52   ` Peter Xu
2023-10-31 17:33     ` Fabiano Rosas
2023-10-31 17:59       ` Peter Xu
2023-10-23 20:35 ` [PATCH v2 16/29] migration/ram: Add support for 'fixed-ram' migration restore Fabiano Rosas
2023-10-25  9:43   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-10-25 14:07     ` Fabiano Rosas
2023-10-31 19:03       ` Peter Xu
2023-11-01  9:26         ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-11-01 14:21           ` Peter Xu
2023-11-01 14:28             ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-11-01 15:00               ` Peter Xu
2023-11-06 13:18                 ` Fabiano Rosas
2023-11-06 21:00                   ` Peter Xu
2023-11-07  9:02                     ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-10-31 19:09   ` Peter Xu
2023-10-31 20:00     ` Fabiano Rosas
2023-10-23 20:35 ` [PATCH v2 17/29] tests/qtest: migration-test: Add tests for fixed-ram file-based migration Fabiano Rosas
2023-10-23 20:35 ` [PATCH v2 18/29] migration/multifd: Allow multifd without packets Fabiano Rosas
2023-10-23 20:35 ` [PATCH v2 19/29] migration/multifd: Add outgoing QIOChannelFile support Fabiano Rosas
2023-10-25  9:52   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-10-25 14:12     ` Fabiano Rosas
2023-10-25 14:23       ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-10-25 15:00         ` Fabiano Rosas
2023-10-25 15:26           ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-10-31 20:11   ` Peter Xu
2023-10-23 20:35 ` [PATCH v2 20/29] migration/multifd: Add incoming " Fabiano Rosas
2023-10-25 10:29   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-10-25 14:18     ` Fabiano Rosas
2023-10-31 21:28   ` Peter Xu
2023-10-23 20:36 ` [PATCH v2 21/29] migration/multifd: Add pages to the receiving side Fabiano Rosas
2023-10-31 22:10   ` Peter Xu
2023-10-31 23:18     ` Fabiano Rosas
2023-11-01 15:55       ` Peter Xu
2023-11-01 17:20         ` Fabiano Rosas
2023-11-01 17:35           ` Peter Xu
2023-11-01 18:14             ` Fabiano Rosas
2023-10-23 20:36 ` [PATCH v2 22/29] io: Add a pwritev/preadv version that takes a discontiguous iovec Fabiano Rosas
2023-10-24  8:50   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-10-23 20:36 ` [PATCH v2 23/29] migration/ram: Add a wrapper for fixed-ram shadow bitmap Fabiano Rosas
2023-11-01 14:29   ` Peter Xu
2023-10-23 20:36 ` [PATCH v2 24/29] migration/ram: Ignore multifd flush when doing fixed-ram migration Fabiano Rosas
2023-10-25  9:09   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-10-23 20:36 ` [PATCH v2 25/29] migration/multifd: Support outgoing fixed-ram stream format Fabiano Rosas
2023-10-25  9:23   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-10-25 14:21     ` Fabiano Rosas
2023-10-23 20:36 ` [PATCH v2 26/29] migration/multifd: Support incoming " Fabiano Rosas
2023-10-23 20:36 ` [PATCH v2 27/29] tests/qtest: Add a multifd + fixed-ram migration test Fabiano Rosas
2023-10-23 20:36 ` [PATCH v2 28/29] migration: Add direct-io parameter Fabiano Rosas
2023-10-24  5:41   ` Markus Armbruster
2023-10-24 19:32     ` Fabiano Rosas
2023-10-25  6:23       ` Markus Armbruster
2023-10-25  8:44       ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-10-25 14:32         ` Fabiano Rosas
2023-10-25 14:43           ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-10-25 17:30             ` Fabiano Rosas
2023-10-25 17:45               ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-10-25 18:10                 ` Fabiano Rosas
2023-10-30 22:51             ` Fabiano Rosas
2023-10-31  9:03               ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-10-31 13:05                 ` Fabiano Rosas [this message]
2023-10-31 13:45                   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-10-31 14:33                     ` Fabiano Rosas
2023-10-31 15:22                       ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-10-31 15:52                         ` Fabiano Rosas
2023-10-31 15:58                           ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-10-31 19:05                             ` Fabiano Rosas
2023-11-01  9:30                               ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-11-01 12:16                                 ` Fabiano Rosas
2023-11-01 12:23                                   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-11-01 12:30                                     ` Fabiano Rosas
2023-10-24  8:33   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-10-24 19:06     ` Fabiano Rosas
2023-10-25  9:07   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-10-25 14:48     ` Fabiano Rosas
2023-10-25 15:22       ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-10-23 20:36 ` [PATCH v2 29/29] tests/qtest: Add a test for migration with direct-io and multifd Fabiano Rosas
2023-10-25  9:25   ` Daniel P. Berrangé

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