From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A5379C6FD1F for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2023 10:01:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pckPy-00065r-O6; Thu, 16 Mar 2023 06:01:06 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pckPx-00065T-SL for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 16 Mar 2023 06:01:05 -0400 Received: from us-smtp-delivery-124.mimecast.com ([170.10.133.124]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pckPw-0004bf-Db for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 16 Mar 2023 06:01:05 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=redhat.com; s=mimecast20190719; t=1678960863; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=Xw+ZNRz0KtyeWqj5dDXEJ8oKOxkhYiyXpDAY8Zy/cw0=; b=fzyMLDFLXaPkGOCL2bnXdEhawpJrl5+bEJFbjM2vqFhcMpzu8C3aJwkL7JxRMBxd3wZ1TA RsmTHGO/htIsMED1x7ExLS3MY9dwmd8p4c2zemH8qaEX2DksUDD44SKaXxqOR8czwKHWUx ORfhTXUUrt8KuDX0xR2YMLlXYliGczg= Received: from mimecast-mx02.redhat.com (mx3-rdu2.redhat.com [66.187.233.73]) by relay.mimecast.com with ESMTP with STARTTLS (version=TLSv1.2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) id us-mta-382-OVTJLWoZOq6YDPWdTWJtoQ-1; Thu, 16 Mar 2023 06:00:59 -0400 X-MC-Unique: OVTJLWoZOq6YDPWdTWJtoQ-1 Received: from smtp.corp.redhat.com (int-mx08.intmail.prod.int.rdu2.redhat.com [10.11.54.8]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mimecast-mx02.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CD0662814241; Thu, 16 Mar 2023 10:00:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from blackfin.pond.sub.org (unknown [10.39.192.52]) by smtp.corp.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AC20AC15BA0; Thu, 16 Mar 2023 10:00:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: by blackfin.pond.sub.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 9F01621E6806; Thu, 16 Mar 2023 11:00:57 +0100 (CET) From: Markus Armbruster To: Thomas Huth Cc: Philippe =?utf-8?Q?Mathieu-Daud=C3=A9?= , Andrew Randrianasulu , qemu-discuss@nongnu.org, QEMU Developers Subject: Re: dropping 32-bit host support References: <632e7256-34f5-ca87-ff60-a5c11aa1dd7f@redhat.com> Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2023 11:00:57 +0100 In-Reply-To: <632e7256-34f5-ca87-ff60-a5c11aa1dd7f@redhat.com> (Thomas Huth's message of "Thu, 16 Mar 2023 09:31:15 +0100") Message-ID: <878rfxuiau.fsf@pond.sub.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 3.1 on 10.11.54.8 Received-SPF: pass client-ip=170.10.133.124; envelope-from=armbru@redhat.com; helo=us-smtp-delivery-124.mimecast.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: qemu-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: qemu-devel-bounces+qemu-devel=archiver.kernel.org@nongnu.org Sender: qemu-devel-bounces+qemu-devel=archiver.kernel.org@nongnu.org Thomas Huth writes: [...] > The problem is really that we don't have unlimited resources in the > QEMU project. Currently we're heavily struggling with the load in the > CI, but also pure man power is always very scarce. So at one point in > time, you have to decide to say good bye to some old and hardly used > features - at least to stop testing and actively supporting it. If you > want to continue testing and fixing bugs for such host systems, that's > fine, of course, but don't expect the QEMU developers to do that job > in the future. This. We're out of free lunch. We're glad you enjoyed it while it lasted. If you want more lunch, you need to join the kitchen. Here are a few things we need to keep a host or target supported: * Competent maintainer(s) to relieve the ones who have maintained this for you so far * CI runners to conserve scarce CI minutes (or the money to buy more) * Trustworthy system administrator(s) to set them up and keep them running.