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From: Alexander Graf <agraf@suse.de>
To: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
Cc: linux-fbdev-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, qemu-devel@nongnu.org,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org
Subject: [Qemu-devel] Re: [PATCH] Add VirtIO Frame Buffer Support
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 07:39:34 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87F51670-CB3F-431C-87B4-A8746F996C6F@suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4AEFCEDA.4030308@redhat.com>


On 03.11.2009, at 07:34, Avi Kivity wrote:

> On 11/03/2009 08:27 AM, Alexander Graf wrote:
>>
>>> How does it work today?
>>
>> You boot into a TERM=dumb line based emulation on 3270 (worst thing  
>> haunting people's nightmares ever), trying to get out of that mode  
>> as quickly as possible and off into SSH / VNC.
>
> Despite the coolness factor, IMO a few minutes during install time  
> do not justify a new hardware model and a new driver.

It's more than just coolness factor. There are use cases out there (www.susestudio.com 
) that don't want to rely on the guest exporting a VNC server to the  
outside just to access graphics. You also want to see boot messages,  
have a console login screen, be able to debug things without switching  
between virtio-console and vnc, etc. etc.

The hardware model isn't exactly new either. It's just the next  
logical step to a full PV machine using virtio. If the virtio-fb stuff  
turns out to be really fast and reliable, I could even imagine it  
being the default target for kvm on ppc as well, as we can't switch  
resolutions on the fly there atm.

>>> Does installation over vnc work?
>>
>> Yes, but it requires a working network setup. That's a pretty  
>> requirement on guests IMHO.
>
> Why?  the guest will typically have networking when it's set up, so  
> it should have network access during install.  You can easily use  
> slirp redirection and the built-in dhcp server to set this up with  
> relatively few hassles.

That's how I use it right now. It's no fun.


Alex

  reply	other threads:[~2009-11-03  6:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-11-02 22:09 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH] Add VirtIO Frame Buffer Support Alexander Graf
     [not found] ` <20091102223249.GC22301@localhost>
     [not found]   ` <D295329B-4DE0-4935-8C6B-D45042E72826@suse.de>
2009-11-02 23:24     ` [Qemu-devel] Re: [Linux-fbdev-devel] " Alexander Graf
2009-11-02 23:57       ` Ondrej Zajicek
2009-11-02 23:59         ` Alexander Graf
2009-11-03  6:21 ` [Qemu-devel] " Avi Kivity
2009-11-03  6:22   ` Alexander Graf
2009-11-03  6:24     ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-03  6:27       ` Alexander Graf
2009-11-03  6:34         ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-03  6:39           ` Alexander Graf [this message]
2009-11-03  7:43             ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-03  7:50               ` Alexander Graf
2009-11-03  8:20                 ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-03  8:26                   ` Alexander Graf
2009-11-03  8:53                     ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-03 15:14                       ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-03 15:57                         ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-03 11:25             ` Vincent Hanquez
2009-11-03  9:38               ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-03 15:29                 ` [Linux-fbdev-devel] " Ondrej Zajicek
2009-11-03 16:05                   ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-03 16:53                     ` Ondrej Zajicek
2009-11-03 17:33                     ` Paolo Bonzini
2009-11-04 16:09                 ` Vincent Hanquez
2009-11-04 16:35                   ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-05  9:04                     ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-06  2:39   ` Jamie Lokier
2009-11-06  3:05     ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-05 11:36 ` Michael S. Tsirkin

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