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From: Fabiano Rosas <farosas@suse.de>
To: "Maciej S. Szmigiero" <mail@maciej.szmigiero.name>
Cc: "Alex Williamson" <alex.williamson@redhat.com>,
	"Peter Xu" <peterx@redhat.com>,
	"Cédric Le Goater" <clg@redhat.com>,
	"Eric Blake" <eblake@redhat.com>,
	"Markus Armbruster" <armbru@redhat.com>,
	"Daniel P . Berrangé" <berrange@redhat.com>,
	"Avihai Horon" <avihaih@nvidia.com>,
	"Joao Martins" <joao.m.martins@oracle.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 13/17] migration/multifd: Add migration_has_device_state_support()
Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2024 12:09:23 -0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87a5gon598.fsf@suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4aaad112-5fdf-4172-bfb4-65dd7880202d@maciej.szmigiero.name>

"Maciej S. Szmigiero" <mail@maciej.szmigiero.name> writes:

> On 30.08.2024 20:55, Fabiano Rosas wrote:
>> "Maciej S. Szmigiero" <mail@maciej.szmigiero.name> writes:
>> 
>>> From: "Maciej S. Szmigiero" <maciej.szmigiero@oracle.com>
>>>
>>> Since device state transfer via multifd channels requires multifd
>>> channels with packets and is currently not compatible with multifd
>>> compression add an appropriate query function so device can learn
>>> whether it can actually make use of it.
>>>
>>> Signed-off-by: Maciej S. Szmigiero <maciej.szmigiero@oracle.com>
>> 
>> Reviewed-by: Fabiano Rosas <farosas@suse.de>
>> 
>> Out of curiosity, what do you see as a blocker for migrating to a file?
>> 
>> We would just need to figure out a mapping from file offset some unit of
>> data to be able to write in parallel like with ram (of which the page
>> offset is mapped to the file offset).
>
> I'm not sure whether there's a point in that since VFIO devices
> just provide a raw device state stream - there's no way to know
> that some buffer is no longer needed because it consisted of
> dirty data that was completely overwritten by a later buffer.
>
> Also, the device type that the code was developed against - a (smart)
> NIC - has so large device state because (more or less) it keeps a lot
> of data about network connections passing / made through it.
>
> It doesn't really make sense to make snapshot of such device for later
> reload since these connections will be long dropped by their remote
> peers by this point.
>
> Such snapshotting might make more sense with GPU VFIO devices though.
>
> If such file migration support is desired at some later point then for
> sure the whole code would need to be carefully re-checked for implicit
> assumptions.

Thanks, let's keep those arguments in mind, maybe we put them in a doc
somewhere so we remember this in the future.

>
> Thanks,
> Maciej


  reply	other threads:[~2024-09-03 15:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 128+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-08-27 17:54 [PATCH v2 00/17] Multifd 🔀 device state transfer support with VFIO consumer Maciej S. Szmigiero
2024-08-27 17:54 ` [PATCH v2 01/17] vfio/migration: Add save_{iterate, complete_precopy}_started trace events Maciej S. Szmigiero
2024-09-05 13:08   ` [PATCH v2 01/17] vfio/migration: Add save_{iterate,complete_precopy}_started " Avihai Horon
2024-09-09 18:04     ` Maciej S. Szmigiero
2024-09-11 14:50       ` Avihai Horon
2024-08-27 17:54 ` [PATCH v2 02/17] migration/ram: Add load start trace event Maciej S. Szmigiero
2024-08-28 18:44   ` Fabiano Rosas
2024-08-28 20:21     ` Maciej S. Szmigiero
2024-08-27 17:54 ` [PATCH v2 03/17] migration/multifd: Zero p->flags before starting filling a packet Maciej S. Szmigiero
2024-08-28 18:50   ` Fabiano Rosas
2024-09-09 15:41   ` Peter Xu
2024-08-27 17:54 ` [PATCH v2 04/17] thread-pool: Add a DestroyNotify parameter to thread_pool_submit{, _aio)() Maciej S. Szmigiero
2024-08-27 17:54 ` [PATCH v2 05/17] thread-pool: Implement non-AIO (generic) pool support Maciej S. Szmigiero
2024-09-02 22:07   ` Fabiano Rosas
2024-09-03 12:02     ` Maciej S. Szmigiero
2024-09-03 14:26       ` Fabiano Rosas
2024-09-03 18:14         ` Maciej S. Szmigiero
2024-09-03 13:55   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2024-09-03 16:54     ` Maciej S. Szmigiero
2024-09-03 19:04       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2024-09-09 16:45         ` Peter Xu
2024-09-09 18:38           ` Maciej S. Szmigiero
2024-09-09 19:12             ` Peter Xu
2024-09-09 19:16               ` Maciej S. Szmigiero
2024-09-09 19:24                 ` Peter Xu
2024-08-27 17:54 ` [PATCH v2 06/17] migration: Add save_live_complete_precopy_{begin, end} handlers Maciej S. Szmigiero
2024-08-28 19:03   ` [PATCH v2 06/17] migration: Add save_live_complete_precopy_{begin,end} handlers Fabiano Rosas
2024-09-05 13:45   ` Avihai Horon
2024-09-09 17:59     ` Peter Xu
2024-09-09 18:32       ` Maciej S. Szmigiero
2024-09-09 19:08         ` Peter Xu
2024-09-09 19:32           ` Peter Xu
2024-09-19 19:48             ` Maciej S. Szmigiero
2024-09-19 19:47           ` Maciej S. Szmigiero
2024-09-19 20:54             ` Peter Xu
2024-09-20 15:22               ` Maciej S. Szmigiero
2024-09-20 16:08                 ` Peter Xu
2024-09-09 18:05     ` Maciej S. Szmigiero
2024-08-27 17:54 ` [PATCH v2 07/17] migration: Add qemu_loadvm_load_state_buffer() and its handler Maciej S. Szmigiero
2024-08-30 19:05   ` Fabiano Rosas
2024-09-05 14:15   ` Avihai Horon
2024-09-09 18:05     ` Maciej S. Szmigiero
2024-08-27 17:54 ` [PATCH v2 08/17] migration: Add load_finish handler and associated functions Maciej S. Szmigiero
2024-08-30 19:28   ` Fabiano Rosas
2024-09-05 15:13   ` Avihai Horon
2024-09-09 18:05     ` Maciej S. Szmigiero
2024-09-09 20:03   ` Peter Xu
2024-09-19 19:49     ` Maciej S. Szmigiero
2024-09-19 21:11       ` Peter Xu
2024-09-20 15:23         ` Maciej S. Szmigiero
2024-09-20 16:45           ` Peter Xu
2024-09-26 22:34             ` Maciej S. Szmigiero
2024-09-27  0:53               ` Peter Xu
2024-09-30 19:25                 ` Maciej S. Szmigiero
2024-09-30 21:57                   ` Peter Xu
2024-10-01 20:41                     ` Maciej S. Szmigiero
2024-10-01 21:30                       ` Peter Xu
2024-10-02 20:11                         ` Maciej S. Szmigiero
2024-10-02 21:25                           ` Peter Xu
2024-10-03 20:34                             ` Maciej S. Szmigiero
2024-10-03 21:17                               ` Peter Xu
2024-08-27 17:54 ` [PATCH v2 09/17] migration/multifd: Device state transfer support - receive side Maciej S. Szmigiero
2024-08-30 20:22   ` Fabiano Rosas
2024-09-02 20:12     ` Maciej S. Szmigiero
2024-09-03 14:42       ` Fabiano Rosas
2024-09-03 18:41         ` Maciej S. Szmigiero
2024-09-09 19:52       ` Peter Xu
2024-09-19 19:49         ` Maciej S. Szmigiero
2024-09-05 16:47   ` Avihai Horon
2024-09-09 18:05     ` Maciej S. Szmigiero
2024-09-12  8:13       ` Avihai Horon
2024-09-12 13:52         ` Fabiano Rosas
2024-09-19 19:59           ` Maciej S. Szmigiero
2024-08-27 17:54 ` [PATCH v2 10/17] migration/multifd: Convert multifd_send()::next_channel to atomic Maciej S. Szmigiero
2024-08-30 18:13   ` Fabiano Rosas
2024-09-02 20:11     ` Maciej S. Szmigiero
2024-09-03 15:01       ` Fabiano Rosas
2024-09-03 20:04         ` Maciej S. Szmigiero
2024-09-10 14:13   ` Peter Xu
2024-08-27 17:54 ` [PATCH v2 11/17] migration/multifd: Add an explicit MultiFDSendData destructor Maciej S. Szmigiero
2024-08-30 13:12   ` Fabiano Rosas
2024-08-27 17:54 ` [PATCH v2 12/17] migration/multifd: Device state transfer support - send side Maciej S. Szmigiero
2024-08-29  0:41   ` Fabiano Rosas
2024-08-29 20:03     ` Maciej S. Szmigiero
2024-08-30 13:02       ` Fabiano Rosas
2024-09-09 19:40         ` Peter Xu
2024-09-19 19:50           ` Maciej S. Szmigiero
2024-09-10 19:48     ` Peter Xu
2024-09-12 18:43       ` Fabiano Rosas
2024-09-13  0:23         ` Peter Xu
2024-09-13 13:21           ` Fabiano Rosas
2024-09-13 14:19             ` Peter Xu
2024-09-13 15:04               ` Fabiano Rosas
2024-09-13 15:22                 ` Peter Xu
2024-09-13 18:26                   ` Fabiano Rosas
2024-09-17 15:39                     ` Peter Xu
2024-09-17 17:07                   ` Cédric Le Goater
2024-09-17 17:50                     ` Peter Xu
2024-09-19 19:51                       ` Maciej S. Szmigiero
2024-09-19 19:49       ` Maciej S. Szmigiero
2024-09-19 21:17         ` Peter Xu
2024-09-20 15:23           ` Maciej S. Szmigiero
2024-09-20 17:09             ` Peter Xu
2024-09-10 16:06   ` Peter Xu
2024-09-19 19:49     ` Maciej S. Szmigiero
2024-09-19 21:18       ` Peter Xu
2024-08-27 17:54 ` [PATCH v2 13/17] migration/multifd: Add migration_has_device_state_support() Maciej S. Szmigiero
2024-08-30 18:55   ` Fabiano Rosas
2024-09-02 20:11     ` Maciej S. Szmigiero
2024-09-03 15:09       ` Fabiano Rosas [this message]
2024-08-27 17:54 ` [PATCH v2 14/17] migration: Add save_live_complete_precopy_thread handler Maciej S. Szmigiero
2024-08-27 17:54 ` [PATCH v2 15/17] vfio/migration: Multifd device state transfer support - receive side Maciej S. Szmigiero
2024-09-09  8:55   ` Avihai Horon
2024-09-09 18:06     ` Maciej S. Szmigiero
2024-09-12  8:20       ` Avihai Horon
2024-09-12  8:45         ` Cédric Le Goater
2024-08-27 17:54 ` [PATCH v2 16/17] vfio/migration: Add x-migration-multifd-transfer VFIO property Maciej S. Szmigiero
2024-08-27 17:54 ` [PATCH v2 17/17] vfio/migration: Multifd device state transfer support - send side Maciej S. Szmigiero
2024-09-09 11:41   ` Avihai Horon
2024-09-09 18:07     ` Maciej S. Szmigiero
2024-09-12  8:26       ` Avihai Horon
2024-09-12  8:57         ` Cédric Le Goater
2024-08-28 20:46 ` [PATCH v2 00/17] Multifd 🔀 device state transfer support with VFIO consumer Fabiano Rosas
2024-08-28 21:58   ` Maciej S. Szmigiero
2024-08-29  0:51     ` Fabiano Rosas
2024-08-29 20:02       ` Maciej S. Szmigiero
2024-10-11 13:58 ` Cédric Le Goater
2024-10-15 21:12   ` Maciej S. Szmigiero

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