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From: "Alex Bennée" <alex.bennee@linaro.org>
To: Manos Pitsidianakis <manos.pitsidianakis@linaro.org>
Cc: qemu-devel@nongnu.org, "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
	"Daniel P. Berrangé " <berrange@redhat.com>,
	"Richard Henderson" <richard.henderson@linaro.org>,
	"Alexander Graf" <agraf@csgraf.de>,
	"Paolo Bonzini" <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	"Markus Armbruster" <armbru@redhat.com>,
	"Phil Mathieu-Daudé" <philmd@linaro.org>,
	"Stefan Hajnoczi" <stefanha@redhat.com>,
	"Thomas Huth" <thuth@redhat.com>, "Kevin Wolf" <kwolf@redhat.com>,
	"Gerd Hoffmann" <kraxel@redhat.com>,
	"Mark Cave-Ayland" <mark.cave-ayland@ilande.co.uk>,
	"Peter Maydell" <peter.maydell@linaro.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] docs: define policy forbidding use of "AI" / LLM code generators
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2023 15:32:44 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87a5r4eb8j.fsf@draig.linaro.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4l0it.9kkxe9s135lg@linaro.org> (Manos Pitsidianakis's message of "Thu, 23 Nov 2023 16:56:28 +0200")

Manos Pitsidianakis <manos.pitsidianakis@linaro.org> writes:

> On Thu, 23 Nov 2023 16:35, "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com> wrote:
>>On Thu, Nov 23, 2023 at 11:40:26AM +0000, Daniel P. Berrangé wrote:
>>> There has been an explosion of interest in so called "AI" (LLM)
>>> code generators in the past year or so. Thus far though, this is
>>> has not been matched by a broadly accepted legal interpretation
>>> of the licensing implications for code generator outputs. While
>>> the vendors may claim there is no problem and a free choice of
>>> license is possible, they have an inherent conflict of interest
>>> in promoting this interpretation. More broadly there is, as yet,
>>> no broad consensus on the licensing implications of code generators
>>> trained on inputs under a wide variety of licenses.
>>> The DCO requires contributors to assert they have the right to
>>> contribute under the designated project license. Given the lack
>>> of consensus on the licensing of "AI" (LLM) code generator output,
>>> it is not considered credible to assert compliance with the DCO
>>> clause (b) or (c) where a patch includes such generated code.
>>> This patch thus defines a policy that the QEMU project will not
>>> accept contributions where use of "AI" (LLM) code generators is
>>> either known, or suspected.
>>> Signed-off-by: Daniel P. Berrangé <berrange@redhat.com>
>>> ---
>>>  docs/devel/code-provenance.rst | 40 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>  1 file changed, 40 insertions(+)
>>> diff --git a/docs/devel/code-provenance.rst
>>> b/docs/devel/code-provenance.rst
>>> index b4591a2dec..a6e42c6b1b 100644
>>> --- a/docs/devel/code-provenance.rst
>>> +++ b/docs/devel/code-provenance.rst
>>> @@ -195,3 +195,43 @@ example::
>>>    Signed-off-by: Some Person <some.person@example.com>
>>>    [Rebased and added support for 'foo']
>>>    Signed-off-by: New Person <new.person@example.com>
>>> +
>>> +Use of "AI" (LLM) code generators
>>> +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>> +
>>> +TL;DR:
>>> +
>>> +  **Current QEMU project policy is to DECLINE any contributions
>>> +  which are believed to include or derive from "AI" (LLM)
>>> +  generated code.**
>>> +
>>> +The existence of "AI" (`Large Language Model <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Large_language_model>`__
>>> +/ LLM) code generators raises a number of difficult legal questions, a
>>> +number of which impact on Open Source projects. As noted earlier, the
>>> +QEMU community requires that contributors certify their patch submissions
>>> +are made in accordance with the rules of the :ref:`dco` (DCO). When a
>>> +patch contains "AI" generated code this raises difficulties with code
>>> +provenence and thus DCO compliance.
>>> +
<snip>
>>> +
>>> +The QEMU maintainers thus require that contributors refrain from using
>>> +"AI" code generators on patches intended to be submitted to the project,
>>> +and will decline any contribution if use of "AI" is known or suspected.
>>> +
>>> +Examples of tools impacted by this policy includes both GitHub CoPilot,
>>> +and ChatGPT, amongst many others which are less well known.
>>
>>
>>So you called out these two by name, fine, but given "AI" is in scare
>>quotes I don't really know what is or is not allowed and I don't know
>>how will contributors know.  Is the "AI" that one must not use
>>necessarily an LLM?  And how do you define LLM even? Wikipedia says
>>"general-purpose language understanding and generation".
>>
>>
>>All this seems vague to me.
>>
>>
>>However, can't we define a simpler more specific policy?
>>For example, isn't it true that *any* automatically generated code
>>can only be included if the scripts producing said code
>>are also included or otherwise available under GPLv2?
>
> The following definition makes sense to me:
>
> - Automated codegen tool must be idempotent.
> - Automated codegen tool must not use statistical modelling.
>
> I'd remove all AI or LLM references. These are non-specific,
> colloquial and in the case of `AI`, non-technical. This policy should
> apply the same to a Markov chain code generator.

I'm fairly sure my Emacs auto-complete would fail by that definition.

-- 
Alex Bennée
Virtualisation Tech Lead @ Linaro


  parent reply	other threads:[~2023-11-23 15:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 57+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-11-23 11:40 [PATCH 0/2] docs: define policy forbidding use of "AI" / LLM code generators Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-11-23 11:40 ` [PATCH 1/2] docs: introduce dedicated page about code provenance / sign-off Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-11-23 11:58   ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2023-11-23 17:08     ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-11-23 23:56       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-11-23 13:01   ` Peter Maydell
2023-11-23 17:12     ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-11-23 13:16   ` Kevin Wolf
2023-11-23 17:12     ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-11-23 14:25   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-11-23 17:16     ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-11-23 17:33       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-11-24 11:11         ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2023-11-24 11:27           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-11-24  9:49       ` Kevin Wolf
2023-11-23 15:13   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2024-01-27 14:36   ` Zhao Liu
2024-01-29  9:31     ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2024-01-29  9:35       ` Samuel Tardieu
2024-01-29 10:41         ` Peter Maydell
2024-01-29 11:00           ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-11-23 11:40 ` [PATCH 2/2] docs: define policy forbidding use of "AI" / LLM code generators Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-11-23 12:57   ` Alex Bennée
2023-11-23 17:37     ` Michal Suchánek
2023-11-23 23:27       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-11-23 17:46     ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-11-23 23:53       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-11-24 10:17         ` Kevin Wolf
2023-11-24 10:33           ` Alex Bennée
2023-11-24 10:42             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-11-24 10:43               ` Peter Maydell
2023-11-24 11:02                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-11-24 11:37                 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-11-24 11:39                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-11-24 11:40                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-11-23 13:20   ` Kevin Wolf
2023-11-23 14:35   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-11-23 14:56     ` Manos Pitsidianakis
2023-11-23 15:13       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-11-23 15:29       ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2023-11-23 17:06         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-11-23 17:29           ` Michal Suchánek
2023-11-23 18:05             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-11-23 15:32       ` Alex Bennée [this message]
2023-11-23 18:02       ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-11-23 18:10         ` Peter Maydell
2023-11-24 10:25       ` Kevin Wolf
2023-11-24 10:37         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-11-24 10:42         ` Manos Pitsidianakis
2023-11-23 17:58     ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-11-23 22:39       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-11-24  9:06         ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-11-24  9:27           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-11-24 10:21           ` Alex Bennée
2023-11-24 10:30             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-11-24 11:41             ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-11-23 15:22   ` Stefan Hajnoczi

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