From: "Alex Bennée" <alex.bennee@linaro.org>
To: "Dr. David Alan Gilbert" <dgilbert@redhat.com>
Cc: Peter Maydell <peter.maydell@linaro.org>,
Martin Schrodt <martin@schrodt.org>,
Thomas Huth <thuth@redhat.com>,
Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>,
QEMU Developers <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
Max Reitz <mreitz@redhat.com>, Gerd Hoffmann <kraxel@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] Drop support for 32bit hosts in qemu? (was: [PULL 1/6] audio/hda: create millisecond timers that handle IO)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2018 14:08:06 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87bmbwwf61.fsf@linaro.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180627110912.GA2424@work-vm>
Dr. David Alan Gilbert <dgilbert@redhat.com> writes:
> * Peter Maydell (peter.maydell@linaro.org) wrote:
>> On 27 June 2018 at 09:52, Gerd Hoffmann <kraxel@redhat.com> wrote:
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> >> > Is QEMU still useful on 32-bit hosts? Honest question!
>> >>
>> >> I guess it depends on what 32-bit hosts you consider. If you look at only
>> >> x86 vs. x86_64 then probably x86 is not that important any more but for some
>> >> embedded systems/SoCs 32bit might still be common and QEMU useful for those
>> >> (also as host not only emulated).
>>
>> I would generally agree with this. For x86 32-bit is probably
>> droppable, but for non-x86 the situation is much less clear.
>>
>> > Well. I've used kvm with an 32bit arm soc (cubietruck). It's very
>> > slow. And all the arm architecture improvements to support kvm better
>> > are for aarch64 only.
>>
>> Cubietruck (a Cortex-A7) is a pretty slow 32-bit Arm core.
>>
>> Ask again in a couple of years :-)
>
> How about dropping support for 32 bit hosts that don't have
> 64bit atomics?
> That should be a much smaller set.
Seems a bit harsh - we don't support MTTCG if you don't have big enough
atomics, but we don't drop TCG support completely. And in fact in the
case in point I don't think you could trigger a bug with emulation being
single threaded and all.
>
> Dave
>
>> thanks
>> -- PMM
>>
--
Alex Bennée
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2018-06-27 13:08 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 37+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2018-06-25 13:12 [Qemu-devel] [PULL 0/6] Audio 20180625 patches Gerd Hoffmann
2018-06-25 13:12 ` [Qemu-devel] [PULL 1/6] audio/hda: create millisecond timers that handle IO Gerd Hoffmann
2018-06-26 19:55 ` Max Reitz
2018-06-27 6:51 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2018-06-27 7:24 ` Thomas Huth
2018-06-27 7:57 ` [Qemu-devel] Drop support for 32bit hosts in qemu? (was: [PULL 1/6] audio/hda: create millisecond timers that handle IO) Markus Armbruster
2018-06-27 8:09 ` [Qemu-devel] Drop support for 32bit hosts in qemu? Thomas Huth
2018-06-27 8:56 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2018-06-27 11:08 ` Alex Bennée
2018-06-27 11:09 ` Thomas Huth
2018-06-27 8:15 ` [Qemu-devel] Drop support for 32bit hosts in qemu? (was: [PULL 1/6] audio/hda: create millisecond timers that handle IO) BALATON Zoltan
2018-06-27 8:52 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2018-06-27 9:09 ` Thomas Huth
2018-06-27 13:33 ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2018-06-27 15:41 ` Laurent Vivier
2018-06-27 18:44 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2018-06-27 19:55 ` Laurent Vivier
2018-06-27 10:49 ` Peter Maydell
2018-06-27 11:09 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2018-06-27 13:08 ` Alex Bennée [this message]
2018-06-27 13:09 ` Alex Bennée
2018-06-27 11:09 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2018-06-27 13:03 ` Alex Bennée
2018-06-27 13:38 ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2018-06-27 13:02 ` [Qemu-devel] Drop support for 32bit hosts in qemu? Juan Quintela
2018-06-27 13:11 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2018-06-27 11:13 ` [Qemu-devel] [PULL 1/6] audio/hda: create millisecond timers that handle IO Gerd Hoffmann
2018-06-27 13:15 ` Paolo Bonzini
2018-06-27 12:21 ` Eric Blake
2018-06-29 8:19 ` Peter Maydell
2018-06-29 15:11 ` Eric Blake
2018-06-25 13:12 ` [Qemu-devel] [PULL 2/6] audio/hda: turn some dprintfs into trace points Gerd Hoffmann
2018-06-25 13:12 ` [Qemu-devel] [PULL 3/6] audio/hda: tweak timer adjust logic Gerd Hoffmann
2018-06-25 13:12 ` [Qemu-devel] [PULL 4/6] audio/hda: detect output buffer overruns Gerd Hoffmann
2018-06-25 13:12 ` [Qemu-devel] [PULL 5/6] audio/hda: enable new timer code by default Gerd Hoffmann
2018-06-25 13:12 ` [Qemu-devel] [PULL 6/6] audio: Convert use of atoi to qemu_strtoi Gerd Hoffmann
2018-06-25 15:37 ` [Qemu-devel] [PULL 0/6] Audio 20180625 patches Peter Maydell
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