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From: Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>
To: Jordan Justen <jljusten@gmail.com>
Cc: seabios@seabios.org, Laszlo Ersek <lersek@redhat.com>,
	qemu-devel <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	"Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH RFC 00/13] qemu: generate acpi tables for the guest
Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2013 18:12:30 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87bo7m94bl.fsf@codemonkey.ws> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAFe8ug-e=ZwpRc4r_iDYMc-8yaEu6z0HDa0T8ygcPmMcX2jzbw@mail.gmail.com>

Jordan Justen <jljusten@gmail.com> writes:

> On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 6:34 AM, Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws> wrote:
>> "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com> writes:
>>
>>> On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 03:38:51PM -0500, Anthony Liguori wrote:
>>>> I don't think it's a good idea to move BIOS functionality in QEMU.
>>>
>>> Just to clarify: generating ACPI tables is not BIOS
>>> functionality. It ended up in seabios for historical
>>> reasons.
>>>
>>> A normal scenario for ACPI tables is that they are written
>>> in ASL and compiled with IASL.
>>
>> I wouldn't call this the normal scenario.  Some tables are static but
>> more tables are dynamic than you'd think.  If you're a firmware engineer
>> and you have to support dozens of platforms, it's much easier to make
>> the tables dynamic than attempt to maintain dozens of ASL descriptions.
>
> Anthony is right. Firmware for "real" systems contains the tables as
> binary aml output from the asl compiler, but also goes through
> extensive hoops to tweak the ACPI information.
>
> On the other hand, "real firmware" doesn't have the luxury of being
> able to just download the ACPI tables like fw-cfg might be able to
> offer.
>
> I'm a little concerned that firmware might find a desire to still
> customize the tables, and thus the fw-cfg solution might be too
> restricting. It does seem to work out okay for other VMM projects
> though. (It does seem to be working for Xen in OVMF. But, I'm not
> certain how well it is working, since I don't have a Xen setup.)
>
> I mentioned in the other thread that perhaps QEMU could also consider
> making the ACPI code available under some 'appropriate' license, which
> would allow firmware writers to leverage the code directly if desired.
> Perhaps a dual/multi license situation for the relevant files?

Would the OVMF developers participate in a GPL version of OVMF that live
outside of the EDK2 tree?

I think the only solution to the licensing problem is a GPL-friendly
UEFI build...

Regards,

Anthony Liguori

>
> But, if the fw-cfg route works, then it seems the easiest option for
> firmware writers.
>
> -Jordan

  reply	other threads:[~2013-06-03 23:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-05-13 20:00 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH RFC 00/13] qemu: generate acpi tables for the guest Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-05-13 20:00 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH RFC 03/13] refer to FWCfgState explicitly Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-05-13 20:00 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH RFC 02/13] hw/i386/pc.c: move IO_APIC_DEFAULT_ADDRESS to include/hw/i386/apic.h Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-05-13 20:08   ` Eric Blake
2013-05-13 20:00 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH RFC 01/13] apic: rename apic specific bitopts Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-05-13 20:22   ` Peter Maydell
2013-05-13 20:29     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-05-13 20:00 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH RFC 04/13] fw_cfg: move typedef to qemu/typedefs.h Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-05-13 20:00 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH RFC 05/13] i386: add ACPI table files from seabios Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-05-13 20:01 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH RFC 06/13] acpi: add rules to compile ASL source Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-05-13 20:01 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH RFC 07/13] acpi: pre-compiled ASL files Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-05-13 20:01 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH RFC 08/13] range: add Range structure Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-05-13 20:20   ` Peter Maydell
2013-05-14  7:55     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-05-13 20:01 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH RFC 09/13] i386: add bios linker/loader Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-05-13 20:01 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH RFC 13/13] pc: reuse guest info for legacy fw cfg Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-05-13 20:01 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH RFC 10/13] i386: generate pc guest info Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-05-13 20:23   ` Peter Maydell
2013-05-14  8:06     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-05-14  9:32       ` Peter Maydell
2013-05-13 20:01 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH RFC 12/13] i386: ACPI table generation code from seabios Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-05-13 20:27   ` Peter Maydell
2013-05-13 20:01 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH RFC 11/13] pc: pass PCI hole ranges to Guests Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-05-13 20:38 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH RFC 00/13] qemu: generate acpi tables for the guest Anthony Liguori
2013-05-14  1:54   ` [Qemu-devel] [SeaBIOS] " Kevin O'Connor
2013-05-14  9:29   ` [Qemu-devel] " Gerd Hoffmann
2013-05-14  9:38     ` Peter Maydell
2013-05-14 14:29       ` [Qemu-devel] [SeaBIOS] " David Woodhouse
2013-05-14 15:13         ` Peter Maydell
2013-05-14 13:26     ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2013-05-14 13:53       ` Gerd Hoffmann
2013-05-14 14:40         ` Anthony Liguori
2013-05-14 11:58   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-05-14 13:34     ` Anthony Liguori
2013-05-14 14:14       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-05-15  6:38       ` [Qemu-devel] [SeaBIOS] " Gerd Hoffmann
2013-06-03 22:19       ` [Qemu-devel] " Jordan Justen
2013-06-03 23:12         ` Anthony Liguori [this message]
2013-06-04  4:14           ` Jordan Justen
2013-05-16 11:27   ` Michael S. Tsirkin

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